Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[Delily]

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You're missing the point, completely. First, teleportation requires concentration and time. When you scale up the cast time to real world time, it's almost 2 minutes. Do you think Ilberd would just sit there and let us cast? Second, sure many of us wanted to strike out at Ilberd and Teleji. Luckily, our character is smarter than we are. We were caught off guard, out numbered, and out manned in a coup d'etat. Teleji marched into the Chamber of Rule, completing disregarding the law, admitted regicide, and started a coup d'etat. At that point, anything we could have done would have been useless. Any claims of innocence were unneeded, since no one believed we did it, and would be unheeded, since Teleji would just accuse uf of lying. Any attempt to fight back would be an excuse to kill us as Ilberd could say it was proof of guilt. The best thing to do was what we did, keep our mouth shut, not fight back, and let the situation play itself out looking for a chance to escape, but that's the only way we were going to get out free and alive. Neither the admiral nor the star seer could do anything as that would risk a civil war within Eorzea. Raubahn acted, sure, but look what it got him - one less arm and imprisoned.

We were simply outnumbered, out gunned, and out maneuvered, and when that happens, you shut up and look for a way out.

[Noxifer]

[...] but if we had teleported into Ul'dah how could we had not done the same to escape?

Easy. Teledji or whatever his name was, being the master trader that he was, opened up a trade window to interrupt our teleports. 0=)



As for killing a bunch of guards while escaping (even if we didn't do it personally)... IMO that's still different from personally attacking people while escaping. There always is the chance that one or more of said guards were simply doing as they were told and paid to do, instead of out of personal corruption. Attacking them would confirm that they're doing the right thing, cos we're obviously a danger to society and if we're that eager to potentially kill someone to escape, then who's to say we weren't actually behind the assassination? But when we just go ahead and give up peacefully, there's a chance they'd think 'but wait, if the WoL was guilty, would they really just surrender?' Admittedly a long shot, but... meh.

I'm not saying I'm happy with how events turned out, and I would have loved for there to be some kind of choice in the matter, but I can go along with how things played out.

Besides... I've played far too many JRPGs to have stayed unfamiliar with the whole "I've slaughtered armies single-handedly, yet now I'm 'surrounded' by six people, and decide there's too many of them to fight, despite having massive AoE spells" idea. It's the same as the classic "the only time people die permanently is in cutscenes" thing -- something I've even seen lampshaded for comic relief by people saying stuff like "It's ok, it wasn't an FMV" or "Just make sure you avoid the FMVs".

[Valoiz]

+1 to the OP, WTH with The Admiral, The Scions, our Char lettings those goons arrest him? my egi could kill those goons.... we should never help those useless people... i rather be Ifrit allied now.....

[Intaki]

No one, no matter how strong, will ever be able to beat an appropriately sized mob of thugs. You need to kill all of them, but only one of them needs to kill you.

[Kallera]

No one, no matter how strong, will ever be able to beat an appropriately sized mob of thugs. You need to kill all of them, but only one of them needs to kill you.

So the scions are dead then?

[Natsuno]

No one, no matter how strong, will ever be able to beat an appropriately sized mob of thugs. You need to kill all of them, but only one of them needs to kill you.

Define 'appropriately sized'. I'm not particularly for or against entering combat with them at the moment, but as others have stated, Thancred, Yda and Palalymo didn't seem to have much trouble. OK, more Yda and Palalymo.

On another note, and this isn't necessarily aimed at you, but why does it always have to be extremes? WoL must be a complete submissive pushover, or go on a bloodthirsty rampage, killing everyone. Disarm them, Knock 'em out, do enough damage to them so they cannot fight, break or chop off a limb here or there... Nope. We need to kill them all. Don't get me wrong, most of the BBs & CBs on duty that night probably were all corrupt, and deserving of a swift death, but still.

[Intaki]

So the scions are dead then?

Dead or captured, deus ex machina pending.

Disarm them, Knock 'em out, do enough damage to them so they cannot fight, break or chop off a limb here or there... Nope. We need to kill them all.

More often than not, killing is quicker and easier than disarming or specifically attempting to non-lethally disable. The only fighting alternative to trying to kill the whole mob is trying to fight the whole mob with an additional handicap.

Again, notice how Thancred was a total badass but he still eventually got shot. Same thing with Yda and her mask. It doesn't matter how good you are, you can eventually be beaten by pure numbers.

[TruebladeNuke]

I honestly can't believe that it is still going. @_@

Neither can I. I'm pretty sure this is the same thread that I said I wouldn't be posting in again either some many pages ago. (In which by making this post, I just went against what I said earlier. Oops)

This thread DID manage to go back a few pages, but here it is again. I don't know why people won't let this thread die. Especially considering we've already got a thread for discussing this stuff. It boggles my mind. @_@

[myahele]

With enough prayer and a little bit of crystal anyone can be brought back from the dead.

[Felis]

And Aion actually had your character speak with the voice you chose for them during creation when the situation called for it so it's definitely possible to do.

How many different voices have AION in the character configuration? And also in 4 languages for every single voice?