Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Still people fail to understand when you should fight and when you should just simply run. Our characters are not gods, they can be killed. How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea. They look up to your character. What do you expect would happen if the person that everyone looked up to is suddenly branded a traitor and a assassin? There goes whatever hope that is left. Not every situation has to result in our characters fighting, sometimes the best option is just to escape.

...I now realize we're talking about the same thing. I'm saying that before you were bound up you should've fought to escape rather than submitting, because there was no guarantee that the following events would've transpired to facilitate your escape. Because honestly, can anyone say with a straight face that the WoL, as s/he has been presented by the game so far, calculated that everything would work out the way it did and that s/he'd be able to escape by doing nothing? Because I can't. Anyways, glad to have that cleared up.

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

I know and they probably believe you're innocent because there were no reports of you fighting. Just an escape. Personally, it's more convincing if you ask me.

I'd say the convincing part is the fact that you've fought to save Eorzea dozens of times over and have literally zero good reasons to kill Nanamo, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

I'd say the convincing part is the fact that you've fought to save Eorzea dozens of times over and have literally zero good reasons to kill Nanamo, but that's just me.

That's something to take to the writers. I'm not the one that wrote the story. I just have my own personal view on it. Anyways, let's just agree that everyone has their own opinions about the situation.

I, personally, enjoy story arcs like this. When it's proven that the hero isn't untouchable and they're brought to a low point (betrayed and framed for murder). That allows us to pull ourselves back up, rise to the occasion and show that we still are the hero of Eorzea.

Originally Posted by Mimiru_S

I, personally, enjoy story arcs like this. When it's proven that the hero isn't untouchable and they're brought to a low point (betrayed and framed for murder). That allows us to pull ourselves back up, rise to the occasion and show that we still are the hero of Eorzea.

I can understand that.

Though, I'm not sure why the game lets us just wander back into Ul'dah after this whole thing goes down (too many logistics, I suppose).

Also, I agree with what some have said in that it absolutely SHOULD have been Minfilia meeting with the sultana, as she's the leader, not us. Then, we wouldn't even be having the discussion of why our character was so useless. Hell, I could've cast leeches and saved her... :P

Originally Posted by RichardButte

I have a theory that Tataru swapped places with the empress.

We know SOMETHING is up with her due to the way she gave us that odd look over her shoulder before she headed off. Also, she was MIA the whole time everything was going down and then she just SUDDENLY turns up last moment...

I'm open to the idea, but at the same time not, as it probably means Tataru is dead instead.

I've recently started a new character (GLD) on a new server, so I've got to refresh my memory on the Ul'dah starting zone quests, which I hadn't played through since beta (I went Limsa on EA/release). So, if there was a body double (not necessarily Tataru), or the poison wasn't fatal and an escape occurred, then I'm thinking it's possible a certain Lady Lilira may make a reappearance at some point?

hey this thread is still going!

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Still people fail to understand when you should fight and when you should just simply run. Our characters are not gods, they can be killed. How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea. They look up to your character. What do you expect would happen if the person that everyone looked up to is suddenly branded a traitor and a assassin? There goes whatever hope that is left. Not every situation has to result in our characters fighting, sometimes the best option is just to escape.

In this instance I expect to fight thew few soldiers that are obviously corrupt that just burst into the sultanas chambers. Unless every soldier in the city is waiting outside that door, I can easily take the few that show up. The problem in the situation comes down to How likely are these people to kill me? In that moment, my character is far from helpless. Once apprehended, on the other hand... Considering they were more than willing to commit regicide, my chances for survival in custody are essentially nil, logically speaking. To clear my name I have to expose the entire plot anyway, which means anyone I kill in that room is known to be part of the conspiracy and justifiable self defense. Would anyone really believe that those responsible for killing the Sultana wouldn't have a problem immediately then killing me?

The important thing in this situation is to survive to get to the bottom of things, and surrendering to a few guards I hilariously out skill and out gun just not the correct call to make. Do I have to kill them all? probably not. Would I be ultimately justified in doing so? probably. Would I kill them all? I don't know. As a Ninja main evading is the easiest option, probably.

The only way submitting in that situation would make sense would be if I were too weak to do what I do best, they had the drop on me and incapacitated me before I could react, or there was someone far more powerful arresting me. If I had been poisoned? I Wouldn't be making this argument. If the lady-In-Waiting sapped me in the back of the head as Teledji burst in the room? I wouldn't be making this argument. If Ilberd spartan kicked me into the wall if I tried anything? I wouldn't be making this argument.

I'm making these arguments because everything that happens from when the Sultana hits the floor onward DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. And it completely ruins everything following it.

I loved the story, was not expecting any of that to happen, and definitely cried a few times watching all the cut scenes and finales.

I do think there were logical reasons for everything. Getting the "Blessing of Light" taken from us by Midgardsormr was difficult to watch, I was angry, but I believe they did it to show you can't always rely on the powers of others and have to find the power within yourself to survive. That also tied in with the story, I believe, to why our personal characters story-wise did not retaliate. A lot of "strong" characters in the story, were being broken down, one by one, Alphinaud being the most broken, showing that he as well as the others are not perfect. Almost like our personal characters are lost without the "Blessing of Light", and it showed well in the story.

I WILL say however, why didn't Papalymo just break down the gate to block off the incoming attackers, instead of locking himself and Yda to fight them alone?!?

Also, I was extremely happy that Taledji got cut up and died, I was like "YES!", lol.