Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[Defmetal]

The game needs to have a mixture of content but one problem that always comes with open world content of "whoever hits it first claims it" is eventually it leads to 3rd party bot tool claims.

Someone will make a bot that automatically provokes it the second its in memory, before players even realize its spawned.
It was a major problem in FFXI, especially when NASA came out and linkshells had network-claim bots that had staggered times where they all tried to claim, adjusted for latency, like .10 seconds apart. Xatsh and Paradox were huge on this in FFXI and it really allowed them to monopolize the endgame content because legit players, who normally had say a 1/10 chance of claim, turned to a 1/100 chance of claim - plus they still had to fight the mob, and deal with pathetic drop rates.

I do like the open world mobs but that's an issue that's inevitable, and solved with instanced raids and force pops. Force Pops are actually one of the easiest methods to deal with raids, farm a pop item and pop the NM and botting isn't involved.

The system now seems to work where the open world raid mobs drop tradeable loot, and the raids drop exclusive loot (proving you actually accomplished something instead of buying it).

Question to the OP but if you don't want a game that's all raids then wtf do you want people to do at max level? Walk around and /pose everywhere? Continue to grind mobs for merits? Love it or hate it but Abyssea in FFXI gave you near endless content for 3 to 18 people to work on. FFXI also had a great balance with Assaults and Salvage and Nyzul Isle, where you had a progression of instances working towards an ultimate goal. Unfortunately they butchered it by making them all dailys and even making them all based off the same timer... (Nyzul and Assault shared the same timer, and assaults were required to do Salvage).

So... no I won't quit, but I want MORE than raids of course. Some PVP would be nice, more missions, quests, and ways to progress to set yourself apart from others. The storyline missions giving access to exclusive areas, like Sea or Sky, and the end rewards set you apart from average casual players with more than "raid until you have access" (WoW and EQ1 style).

FFXIV, like FFXI, is going to be a game for all players. It will have content for the raiders, for the questers, for the rmt, for the botters, for the event-lovers, and the social players, casual players, etc. You'd be an idiot to cater to one crowd, especially the endgame crowd (because they make up the smallest portion of the population), yet if you ignore them you're game becomes stale and meaningless. It will have a balance, no more threads like this please.

[Azurymber]

Question to the OP but if you don't want a game that's all raids then wtf do you want people to do at max level? Walk around and /pose everywhere? Continue to grind mobs for merits? Love it or hate it but Abyssea in FFXI gave you near endless content for 3 to 18 people to work on. FFXI also had a great balance with Assaults and Salvage and Nyzul Isle, where you had a progression of instances working towards an ultimate goal. Unfortunately they butchered it by making them all dailys and even making them all based off the same timer... (Nyzul and Assault shared the same timer, and assaults were required to do Salvage).

I'd want balance. Some raids are great but i'd want to see a trigger-pop gods type things. And roaming dragons would be epic. Maybe to avoid the claim-bot mess in FFXI have 10 spawn spots for the HNMs and have them spawn randomly at one of them (ex. could spawn in grid, could spawn in thanalan, etc. kinda like the WoTg worm) . Theres lots of creative things that they could implement -outside- of raids.

edit: and yeah, i dont want the game to turn into WoW. And thats the direction it sounds like its heading in. Not saying its horrible since WoW is crazy popular, its just kind of not what FFXI was and not what FFXIV was supposed to be, and i personally wouldn't enjoy it and wanted to see if a lot of other players feel the same. Especially with all the hate for abyssea.

[Visch]

I'd want balance. Some raids are great but i'd want to see a trigger-pop gods type things. And roaming dragons would be epic. Maybe to avoid the claim-bot mess in FFXI have 10 spawn spots for the HNMs and have them spawn randomly at one of them (ex. could spawn in grid, could spawn in thanalan, etc. kinda like the WoTg worm) . Theres lots of creative things that they could implement -outside- of raids.

edit: and yeah, i dont want the game to turn into WoW. And thats the direction it sounds like its heading in. Not saying its horrible since WoW is crazy popular, its just kind of not what FFXI was and not what FFXIV was supposed to be, and i personally wouldn't enjoy it and wanted to see if a lot of other players feel the same. Especially with all the hate for abyssea.

HNMs??? *gasp*

Who would have the time to spend MORE then 5 minutes waiting to do something????

Or even COMPETING against OTHER PLAYERS for items????? That is just unheard of!! It could create a difference in items from people who don't play at the game at all from people who actually do!! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT IN CHINA SIMULATION.

Everyone is just so casual (bad at the game) for that to ever happen right???

[Azurymber]

I'd want balance. Some raids are great but i'd want to see a trigger-pop gods type things. And roaming dragons would be epic. Maybe to avoid the claim-bot mess in FFXI have 10 spawn spots for the HNMs and have them spawn randomly at one of them (ex. could spawn in grid, could spawn in thanalan, etc. kinda like the WoTg worm) . Theres lots of creative things that they could implement -outside- of raids.

edit: and yeah, i dont want the game to turn into WoW. And thats the direction it sounds like its heading in. Not saying its horrible since WoW is crazy popular, its just kind of not what FFXI was and not what FFXIV was supposed to be, and i personally wouldn't enjoy it and wanted to see if a lot of other players feel the same. Especially with all the hate for abyssea.

<< theres the post if you don't feel like going to the page.

[Tsukino]

The storyline missions giving access to exclusive areas, like Sea or Sky, and the end rewards set you apart from average casual players with more than "raid until you have access" (WoW and EQ1 style).

Hopefully now that they're willing to drop crafters and gatherers from story quest viability, we'll be able to get some of this. I really enjoyed non-endgame achievements like being able to enter Tu'Lia or having one of the gunas rings that were still major accomplishments in the eyes of the players.