Has it always been like this or...?

[KayoZ]

Kitano123's way to see it still allow new players to queue quite fast into these dungeons and get things done. Sure, not with the best possible experience, but they can still do it regardless, thanks to the "jerks" you want to kill so bad.
Your solution, on the other hand, while protecting the experiences of the new players, will drastically increase the queue time for these dungeons, to the point that they might have to queue only on peak hours during weekend to get in.

Yeah youre making up assumptions. You have no way to prove that a significant portion of the games population would drop MS DF completely if SE made timed cutscenes a requirement. Specially when you know that new player boost rewards. Furthermore, SE has the ability to boost rewards itself to compensate for the extra time (on average) that a player may take. SE can literally force every cutscene on everyone, every single time ... hell they can slow it down, double the amount of cutscenes and still make it the fastest way in game to aquire any reward they deem worthy. So for the 100th time, that argument is not only thin, but irrelevant.

I love how most of you are completely dismissing the fact DF is the feature where new players are not only pointed towards in the very quest objective, but have a much lower chance than a veteran at actually successfully forming a like minded group by other means. You have a server chock full of experienced players, primed, geared, and eager for speed runs, have a better chance at being in a good active FC, part of Linkshells, etc ... yet DF is the one place you want to go and piss on newbies cheerios. You are well versed, and can easily form your own efficient groups, that will likely stick around run after run farming whatever it is they need ... but no. Screw those guys, let them quit, "good riddance".... "WE'RE THE MAJORITY!"

... but tell me again how newbies trying to experience the game as designed are just the different side of the same "jerk" coin. Because it seems to me anyone that isnt all about "me, myself, and I" can cut a new player some slack given the circumstances.

lol, just out of curiosity, since being an "apathetic jerk" can sometimes be contagious. Is there a way to tell if im the newbie watching the cutscenes? So say if that "1 or more players" things comes up and I, as a vet, decided I dont want to carry cutscene viewers through bosses, I could do that? Why should I? The speed runners dont seem to mind. Hmm ... interesting.

[Viridiana]

Step 1: New players come to forums to complain that queue times are way too long. That Devs need to add incentives to bring back vets.
Step 2: SE obliges. They create Tome bonuses to encourage vets to repeat old content.

Here's the thing, though. The Roulette bonus is not there to help vets. It's there to help new players. Speaking specifically of the Low, Trial, and Story Roulettes. Similarly, the cutscenes in the Story dungeons are there for the new players. If you're going to participate in a Roulette that's designed to help new players, why would you simultaneously expect them to forgo the rest of what's there to benefit them?

[AreeyaJaidee]

I actually have lost loved ones to Cancer. But I didn't think that the comment about a post giving someone cancer was making light of it at all. Sometimes humor is just that, and if we can't laugh about it then we've allowed it to suck more than a little joy out of life.

Laugh in spite of cancer, not because of it.

Really? Was it necessary to mock me for my personal experience? I know there's ways to cope. Different ppl have varying degrees of success and progress with coping... While I respect your opinion, I don't think it gives you or anyone else the right to downplay what for me and some other of my family is still very tough issues. I'm not being overly psychoanalytical. I'm just trying to raise awareness that we all need to treat each other different and not take things like life for granted.

Yoshi P vision of this game has been born out of his love for the concept. He is dedicated to it... Why are we repaying love with hate?

If someone want to skip a damn cutscene then cool. If they don't then cool. This is a reason to hate and discriminate? No...

The game isn't just a big movie. Yes that's part of its leisure. But the bigger part of this game is a social organism. Its meant to be shared with others and enjoyed.

[Gyson]

No people are jerks for having no consideration for the other 7 members of their group. Its not hard to understand.

Putting long cutscenes in the middle of dungeons that are meant to be repeated is moronic design, but I dont see how that excuses people from being selfish.

If a few people are driven off because they think other players should treat them as special because they are new then good riddence to them.

Actually, what shouldn't be difficult to understand is that you shouldn't be signing up for a cutscene-heavy dungeon that marks the culmination of the 2.0 storyline unless you plan on patiently sitting through said cutscenes. You are not required to revisit these dungeons a second time, ever. If you exercise the option of doing so you should be completely prepared for new players who have an understandable expectation of watching those cutscenes. Especially when you're likely queueing for these dungeons knowing the soldiery bonus shows up there frequently (thanks to new players). This is not rocket science.

When the dungeon is played as designed, those cutscenes that pepper the run make for quite a memorable and enjoyably epic experience. I'm actually sad there aren't more dungeons like this. Unfortunately, we're likely not to see this particular design happen anymore because some players are neither patient enough nor courteous enough to not cause problems for those who are trying to enjoy the whole RPG aspect of this MMORPG.

Lastly, when it comes to MMORPGs like this one, I'd rather see it populated by people who appreciate and prioritize the whole RPG aspect over those who are only concerned with how quickly they can grind out tomestones.

[Caraway]

They dont have to watch the cutscenes for you to get the bonus...

How is wanting someone to be considerate of the rest of thier group belittling them? How does that make any sense what-so-ever?

You are quite literally being paid for your time to help people. For them to experience the dungeon, cutscenes included.

But as to the point about belittling? Perhaps you should read the first post of this thread. The point was that they were cursed out and yelled at, called names and threats, for wanting to watch cutscenes. And this isn't a new behavior.

Story roulette provides a bonus for doing the roulette. You could get a group of entirely veteran players speed running. And that's perfectly fine.

But if you get a new player you will get an additional bonus because you are facilitating a new player. Someone who is potentially brand new to the game and just now reaching 50 for the very first time. This person is one of the people who will help keep the game afloat and potentially spread good things about the game to their friends and bring in more people.

I know a lot of endgame folks like to think they're the ones that keep a game going but I can assure you that this is not the case (go look at every topheavy sunsetted game ever). You are not very likely to bring any more people now that you have been at endgame for a long period of time. It's people who are brand new to the game and coming up in it who are more likely to say to their friends to come play and actually get some more new blood.

I totally get the point that going through CM and Prae for the Nth time can be annoying. I've done it oodles of times myself on more than one character. But when it comes down to it, we should be doing everything we can to encourage new people to keep playing.

Thankfully, the times I've done Story Roulette people have been happy to see new players, were helpful and educational. And to those people; kudos.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Didn't SE add a feature to duty finder that groups you with people who want to watch cutscenes?

Or was that party finder?

[Caraway]

Didn't SE add a feature to duty finder that groups you with people who want to watch cutscenes?

Or was that party finder?

That would be party finder, yeah.

[AreeyaJaidee]

That would be party finder, yeah.

Oh okay. Yeah was googling it, sorry bad memory on some details.

So SE just need to add "group with cutscene watching" flag option in duty finder. Problem solved

Cutscene watching first timer goodness for everyone wanting.

This way ppl can pair with first timers either via DF easily or PF

[Duuude007]

Oh okay. Yeah was googling it, sorry bad memory on some details.

So SE just needs to add duty finder flag to group ppl like party finder. Problem solved

Cutscene watching first timer goodness for everyone wanting.

This way ppl can pair with first timers either via DF easily or PF

Yeah it seems to me the single best solution would be education.

Add a party finder active help once people are caught up to CM.

EDIT: @ Post cap...

Except this issue exists pre CM.

When would you add the active help?

All DF content has cutscenes. Most can be speed run. So add option to duty finder to pair ques based on ppl who wish to play speedrun or ppl who wish to play slow to normal progression.

As for splitting df like that, that could be a serious recode undertaking... not sure how viable it would be.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Yeah it seems to me the single best solution would be education.

Add a party finder active help once people are caught up to CM.

Except this issue exists pre CM.

All DF content has cutscenes. Most can be speed run. So add option to duty finder to pair ques based on ppl who wish to play speedrun or ppl who wish to play slow to normal progression.

When would I implement it?^

Major recoding? Que imbalance? This is what players are asking for.