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    Duuude007's Avatar
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by KayoZ View Post
    So youre saying you queue up DF solely to take full advantage of new players who join? Do you immediately drop group if you dont see the "1 or more players..." message? There are already more efficient ways of getting tomes according to some posts yet that hasnt stopped anyone.
    Again you assume it is always about tomes. People also farm it for the Gaius card. And no, I do not queue CM or Praet anymore due to how hostile new players can be. The time wasted in there doesn't make it worth my time, but I am not everybody, and stand by the point that WHOEVER agrees with the majority vote, be it story mode or speed run, is the only truly entitled segment of the party.

    Quote Originally Posted by KayoZ View Post
    Maybe youre not understanding what I meant... I said bonus reward. As in you skip or start a boss while a new player is 'viewing cutscene' you forfeit benefits of having a new player join the group.
    Maybe... you are not understanding what the true consequences would be... if you had your way.
    So as you are inferring, every cutscene is forced upon players, even those who have seen them. How is this going to compel returning people to even consider making your queues more convenient, when the time-reward ratio is so unappetizing? The answer is, they will forfeit going at all. Indirectly punishing new players even more. With extra long queue times.

    Granted, it won't affect those farming Gaius cards, so you will still have them queueing for you. And wanting speed runs. Why again are they less deserving of the experience they want? If they are the minority, great, story mode. If not, great, speed mode. Simple.
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    Kayo Zeilan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    If they are the minority, great, story mode. If not, great, speed mode. Simple.
    I already addressed this "majority" argument. Theyre not always right, or just, and are often times completely apathetic and hostile towards a minority. Ive pointed it out multiple times even and the hypocrisy with gladly accepting the rewards new players give yet still mistreating them. Some, for instance, expect new players to use the much less efficient PF to find story groups knowing full well itll take them much longer to find a group for that as opposed to veterans who have a much higher chance of finding farm groups (being the "majority" and all)... yet here they are, not giving a ... Their problem, right?

    You speak as if veteran players care little for the added rewards new players give yet they obviously love it. When one joins the group the often even express it when the dungeon starts. I already said SE has the ability to change this efficiency by adjusting rewards to persuade players to treat others with the same respect shown to them when they first entered the dungeon and still queue up with the same frequency. It need not affect the queue times by much if adjusted correctly. You can either spend the extra 20-30 minutes letting someone watch cutscenes or come back for another 20-30 minute run for the same reward (and a bigger repair bill). Not only is this efficiency adjustable by SE (making your point irrelevant) but I doubt a simple penalty (to an already added bonus) for taking advantage of newbies will result in the hour+ long queues.

    Either way im already repeating myself and wasting my post limit doing so. Not like SE will be doing anything anyway aside from the apparent removal of such cutscenes from end game content.
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