Dear Yoshi & Team: About Current TT Tournament Model

[eossylim]

I am happy that the MGP reward is now reasonable for the rest of the ranks, I am happy that get a reasonable amount of platinum packs for reasonable score and I am happy that the platinum packs have a chance for each of the tournament cards. I am still not happy that the tournament rewards cheaters though. I also think that when one tournament ends the next should begin on the same day or the next day and not have to wait 2 weeks.

They're not cheating, they're playing the system to win. You're the one expecting them to play the system the way you want it to be played. It would be like a basketball player who never goes for blocks/steals because they never want to get called for fouls and then expecting everyone else to do the same. You're crippling yourself and projecting your ideals to others.

[Riepah]

They're not cheating, they're playing the system to win. You're the one expecting them to play the system the way you want it to be played. It would be like a basketball player who never goes for blocks/steals because they never want to get called for fouls and then expecting everyone else to do the same. You're crippling yourself and projecting your ideals to others.

Actually it's more like a basketball player who doesn't like seeing other basketball players bribing the enemy team to let them win.

I guess you support doping, too?

[eossylim]

Collusion and PEDs are against NCAA and NBA rules, so no, not at all like that at all.

Again, you seem to think the competition in the tournament is to win TT games, but the actual competition is in getting the most points. That's what gets rewarded. Try to be competitive with the people scoring the top amount of points, and you'll see it's not that easy. SQEX set the tournament up wrong if they wanted it to be about winning TT games, they should've used mmr or a bracket style tournament.

[Riepah]

Collusion and PEDs are against NCAA and NBA rules, so no, not at all like that at all.

Again, you seem to think the competition in the tournament is to win TT games, but the actual competition is in getting the most points. That's what gets rewarded. Try to be competitive with the people scoring the top amount of points, and you'll see it's not that easy. SQEX set the tournament up wrong if they wanted it to be about winning TT games, they should've used mmr or a bracket style tournament.

You don't quite understand that people can wintrade, do you? To be competitive in these TT tournaments, you have to wintrade harder than the other wintraders. A legit player will never make it to the top 3.

[eossylim]

You don't quite understand that people can wintrade, do you? To be competitive in these TT tournaments, you have to wintrade harder than the other wintraders. A legit player will never make it to the top 3.

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

[Chek]

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

I agree that if its the only way, its how I'm gonna play it, but do you really believe wintrading and the "challenge" being how well you maximize your wintrading is the intended goal here by SE? Do you really believe this is legitimate in that way? Just because its the only good way doesn't mean it should be or is intended to be.

[Welsper59]

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

Legit can have multiple implications depending on context. Your definition of "legitimate" is in the sense that you need to ignore intended play style and take actions that are CLEARLY not approved of to get ahead. They're legitimately playing through a loophole to win in a way that SE does not want to happen (hence the changes now and to come). The person you quoted is saying that within the context of what was intended design by the devs, legitimate players don't win-trade.

In other words, be a bad person or follow the intended methods to play and win (i.e. showing sportsmanship and not showing sportsmanship). Both are legitimate means to determine how you choose to act. And yes, win-trading is being bad, simply because if you admitted to a GM about it, and that you intend to forever find ways to do this, I'm sure you'll be met with a very "surprising" response.

[Snugglebutt]

They're not cheating, they're playing the system to win. You're the one expecting them to play the system the way you want it to be played. It would be like a basketball player who never goes for blocks/steals because they never want to get called for fouls and then expecting everyone else to do the same. You're crippling yourself and projecting your ideals to others.

A tournament is supposed to be played fairly. If this was a real world tournament every single person who is paying to win or using collusion with friends/competitors (and alts in this case) would be kicked out of it, maybe even permanently banned for life from participating in it again. Collisions, bribes and match fixing should never be allowed in any competition or tournament. It wouldn't be allowed in real life, it shouldn't be allowed in this games tournament either. Even if SE cannot stop it completely they should be at least trying instead of just giving out consolation prizes while letting the cheaters continue to cheat their way to maximum MGP and guaranteed cards.

[RobinRethiel]

Actually it's more like a basketball player who doesn't like seeing other basketball players bribing the enemy team to let them win.

I guess you support doping, too?

Actually it's more like a basketball game, where you get more points, when you made a foul play before. The system itself is not only allowing foul play, it's pretty much demanding it. It's btw pointless to buy wins.

I agree that if its the only way, its how I'm gonna play it, but do you really believe wintrading and the "challenge" being how well you maximize your wintrading is the intended goal here by SE?

Well, this is what they are encouraging.

[Theovon]

Personal opinion for a quick, temporary bandaid fix until a new system comes along.

Remove first win bonus. Remove high rating bonus, meaning that you don't get more points for beating somebody who has played more in the tournament than you. Add a background card comparison system that compares how many cards YOU have to how many cards the other person has. I.E. You have 71 cards, and you challenge somebody who has 31 cards. Instead of the basic 100 you would earn from beating them, you would only get 75. Encouraging you to play people on your level, and not beating up the little kids.

It doesn't by any means fix the problem, but it definitely hurts the win-traders and win farming players. It almost turns the tables, so that people with much fewer cards would get more points for beating players with many more cards.