Dear Yoshi & Team: About Current TT Tournament Model

[eossylim]

Collusion and PEDs are against NCAA and NBA rules, so no, not at all like that at all.

Again, you seem to think the competition in the tournament is to win TT games, but the actual competition is in getting the most points. That's what gets rewarded. Try to be competitive with the people scoring the top amount of points, and you'll see it's not that easy. SQEX set the tournament up wrong if they wanted it to be about winning TT games, they should've used mmr or a bracket style tournament.

[Riepah]

Collusion and PEDs are against NCAA and NBA rules, so no, not at all like that at all.

Again, you seem to think the competition in the tournament is to win TT games, but the actual competition is in getting the most points. That's what gets rewarded. Try to be competitive with the people scoring the top amount of points, and you'll see it's not that easy. SQEX set the tournament up wrong if they wanted it to be about winning TT games, they should've used mmr or a bracket style tournament.

You don't quite understand that people can wintrade, do you? To be competitive in these TT tournaments, you have to wintrade harder than the other wintraders. A legit player will never make it to the top 3.

[eossylim]

You don't quite understand that people can wintrade, do you? To be competitive in these TT tournaments, you have to wintrade harder than the other wintraders. A legit player will never make it to the top 3.

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

[Chek]

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

I agree that if its the only way, its how I'm gonna play it, but do you really believe wintrading and the "challenge" being how well you maximize your wintrading is the intended goal here by SE? Do you really believe this is legitimate in that way? Just because its the only good way doesn't mean it should be or is intended to be.

[Welsper59]

I do understand, and I agree. You can't be competitive without wintrading. I don't agree with your definition of legitimate though. The challenge in the tournament is to secure and maximize point gain from wintrading. People who are doing that are as legitimate as anyone else.

Legit can have multiple implications depending on context. Your definition of "legitimate" is in the sense that you need to ignore intended play style and take actions that are CLEARLY not approved of to get ahead. They're legitimately playing through a loophole to win in a way that SE does not want to happen (hence the changes now and to come). The person you quoted is saying that within the context of what was intended design by the devs, legitimate players don't win-trade.

In other words, be a bad person or follow the intended methods to play and win (i.e. showing sportsmanship and not showing sportsmanship). Both are legitimate means to determine how you choose to act. And yes, win-trading is being bad, simply because if you admitted to a GM about it, and that you intend to forever find ways to do this, I'm sure you'll be met with a very "surprising" response.

[Theovon]

Personal opinion for a quick, temporary bandaid fix until a new system comes along.

Remove first win bonus. Remove high rating bonus, meaning that you don't get more points for beating somebody who has played more in the tournament than you. Add a background card comparison system that compares how many cards YOU have to how many cards the other person has. I.E. You have 71 cards, and you challenge somebody who has 31 cards. Instead of the basic 100 you would earn from beating them, you would only get 75. Encouraging you to play people on your level, and not beating up the little kids.

It doesn't by any means fix the problem, but it definitely hurts the win-traders and win farming players. It almost turns the tables, so that people with much fewer cards would get more points for beating players with many more cards.

[Haru]

Clipped

I think the best solution has been said before matches need to be made outside of the player control for tournament settings. Something like duty finder would be best. That way everyone playing in the roulette would be gunning for a win. It would be impossible to know in advance who you would be playing or strategise a way to beat the deck. There should be no forms of bonus of any kind, simply win, draw, loss. The roulette would take care to make sure you play players within a reasonable score of your cards (say rated 1 point for every star). If a player has rating of 200 from 51 cards you could be matched with 180-220 etc. You could not complain then being matched against 3 star decks all the time..

As you can tell the problem with the tournament is incredibly complex, or you could just remove the MGP bonus and then everyone would stop playing once they have the cards and the tournament would die.

[LegitChamp]

I apologize if this has already been suggested but why not just a special TT queue/finder system like how DF works. WoW (forgive the reference, but sometimes they do things right) uses something similar for their pet battles. Join for a random opponent.

Then it would be a simple matter of awarding overall ranking based on W/L record (more likely to be fair because it won't be as easy to play against your friends/alts). Obviously, you run into the issue of "well, what if the random opponents are all terrible" but no system is perfect and this would greatly improve on the current system. And over the course of 35 games the chances of you only playing garbage opponents is smaller. And I assume its possible to start awarding a ranking based on w/l and matching based on that as the tournament goes on.

[thendcomes]

If everyone stopped viewing the competitions as tournaments then this discussion would be more productive. These are not tournaments, and no finagling of the award algorithm will cause it to be a tournament. A tournament demands that players can't choose their opponent, so until that happens, this is just a competition to get the most points.

Furthermore, putting TT games on the Duty Finder will not help. You can easily manipulate who you queue into by queuing German or French language at off hours.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

The languages are not needed for TT though and could be removed as options.

I agree that the "tournaments" are a problem, but I truly think the real problem is the game itself. There is absolutely no room for expansion or differentiating yourself from other players in TT. Tetra masters had almost an unlimited supply of cards because of how different each could be. Even if we double or even triple the amount of cards we have in TT, everyone will always use nearly the same exact decks. There is just no room for this card game to be great and expand. Enjoy it while you can.