Your character as background decoration <Spoilers>

[Gilthas]

People keep forgetting that we didn't exactly beat the Primals, Garleans etc. single-handledly. We were part of a party.

But more important than that, if it we're up to some people here, everyone in Eorzea should just bow down to our might. Our NPC is not an immortal demigod in the game, they're still just human.

[Aeyis]

Because a city full of Brass Blades, Crystal Braves, confused Sultansworn, and confused Immortal Flames would make mincemeat out of you.

Try doing Praetorium solo to see what it would be like.

Yes. Especially considering if your a paladin your practically a sultanasworn yourself, and the founder & leader of the flames being on your side.
And yes ofcourse you are solo. Because the scions, other leaders+ escorts+ raubahn dont count. Or the sultana sworn and flames (who will choose your side)

People keep forgetting that we didn't exactly beat the Primals, Garleans etc. single-handledly. We were part of a party.

But more important than that, if it we're up to some people here, everyone in Eorzea should just bow down to our might. Our NPC is not an immortal demigod in the game, they're still just human.

In the story you did beat them solo. Be that as it may, these are level 35 brass blades your up against. Aided by Crystal Braves that couldnt complete a single quest without you helping them. Not a primal.


Yet why then, do so many make the WoL to be a vegetable, instead of a human? All the arguments used for fighting back are based on the WoL being only human.


Perhaps they should create factions in the game. Those who were fine with the WoL doing nothing can join the Corrupt Braves, the rest can defend Eorzea.
I imagine PvP would suddenly become very popular.

[Velthice]

In the story you did beat them solo.

No you didn't. The fanfiction you made up in your head isn't canon. Everytime there's a new primal, or when we sieged praetorium, we were told to go assemble our crack team of adventurer buddies.

Yet why then, do so many make the WoL to be a vegetable, instead of a human? All the arguments used for fighting back are based on the WoL being only human.

Wanting to fight without considering the consequences of your actions doesn't make you human, it makes you an idiot.

Perhaps they should create factions in the game. Those who were fine with the WoL doing nothing can join the Corrupt Braves, the rest can defend Eorzea.
I imagine PvP would suddenly become very popular.

"I want to inflict harm on people that enjoyed the story" Seriously? get over yourself.

[Aeyis]

No you didn't. The fanfiction you made up in your head isn't canon. Everytime there's a new primal, or when we sieged praetorium, we were told to go assemble our crack team of adventurer buddies.

Indeed. Your fanfiction isnt. Did you read the story and dialogue, or did you just skip all of that? I definately dont remember being told to assemble a group at Ifrit (lol when captured), or Garuda.

Wanting to fight without considering the consequences of your actions doesn't make you human, it makes you an idiot.

No. Not realising that doing nothing also has consequences makes you an idiot.

Besides, if you read the thread you will find that many did consider the consequences, and believe that acting is the best thing to do.

"I want to inflict harm on people that enjoyed the story" Seriously? get over yourself.

It was a joke relating to your argument of doing nothing. Because what you suggest (that doing nothing was a good idea) actually supports the monetarists.
If you had to reply to a joke with such an attack. Oh my. I dont think I'm the one that needs to get over himself then.



PS: what does enjoying the story have to do with this? oO Trying to defend an assortment of obvious plotholes =/= as having enjoyed the story.

[PArcher]

The 3 main story Primals, in their weakest incarnation, were canonically soloed. Their HM versions, the other 4 story Primals, as well as all the EX versions...told to get 7 others to aid you...and all 7 HM Primal fights are cannon for 2.5 (Garuda, Titan, Ifrit, Shiva, Levi, Ramuh, Moggle). Operation Archon, Coil and the Steps of Faith all require 8 as per cannon (told to get elite adventurers for them). Heck, all of CT was gather TWENTY THREE others to go with you. And if you want side story...all the Hildi fights have you and 7 others as cannon.

[Aeyis]

The 3 main story Primals, in their weakest incarnation, were canonically soloed. Their HM versions, the other 4 story Primals, as well as all the EX versions...told to get 7 others to aid you...and all 7 HM Primal fights are cannon for 2.5 (Garuda, Titan, Ifrit, Shiva, Levi, Ramuh, Moggle). Operation Archon, Coil and the Steps of Faith all require 8 as per cannon (told to get elite adventurers for them). Heck, all of CT was gather TWENTY THREE others to go with you. And if you want side story...all the Hildi fights have you and 7 others as cannon.

So you are saying that a primal, is weaker then 4 brass blades? What about the last Ascian you fought? I dont anyone helping with that.



I just dont see why you have to go to such length to defend this. The point isnt even that the WoL was some kind of god, just that the WoL had massive experience, and that it makes no sense that he would be bested be a few brass blades. Or that he and the scions+ raubahn (+ the other leaders had the WoL fought right from the start) would be in a bad position.


Hells, I dont see why you have to stress that the WoL cant do much on his own, when in fact the only part of the cutscenes he was alone was when he was up against a couple of brass blades...


Again, you make no sense. Which is only logical, because you are trying to argue that the story made sense. (from a writing point of view)


However these are all arguments that have been said many times now. It's pointless to continue with this, if people just keep ignoring them.

[Natsuno]

Gather x amount of people

I personally just saw that as a way to make it blatantly obvious that it was an eight or twenty four man raid, not as some sort of evidence that we did/didn't do it alone.

[Mikhaill]

I just dont see why you have to go to such length to defend this. The point isnt even that the WoL was some kind of god, just that the WoL had massive experience, and that it makes no sense that he would be bested be a few brass blades..

Because a city full of Brass Blades, Crystal Braves, confused Sultansworn, and confused Immortal Flames.

This.
My opinion: This isn't about life or death, it's about making matters worse than they already should be. I think we all know, we can take out a heaping load of those people but that'll just add more to the flames...(I made another funny!) But I can't even talk with OP. If we don't agree with him he resorts to silly meme posts and pics so I'm done trying to have an so called "intelligent" discussion with him. Just keep saying the same things over and over so eh...I may as well go to other topics or the sticky post. People don't act like butts over there lol.

[PArcher]

I personally just saw that as a way to make it blatantly obvious that it was an eight or twenty four man raid, not as some sort of evidence that we did/didn't do it alone.

Im guessing you skipped the cutscenes in the dungeons/raids and watched them in the inn (lol). All your companions are there, even if just as support. In several cutscenes (T9 opener stands out for this to me) they dont just stand there looking pretty, they have their own actions/reactions to what is going on. Operation Archon, Steps of Faith, Coil, Crystal Tower, HM/EX Primals, all the Hildibrand...they all specifically state to go and get companions to aid you, and in Steps/Archon/Coil its an actual plot point that you are not alone! (Greg/Ultros its more like what you think it is, but its a little different than the other trials/raids...still cannon you did not do those fights solo though)

[PArcher]

So you are saying that a primal, is weaker then 4 brass blades?

Remember, Yda wanted to just start punching the Brass Blades...Papalymo responded that it would only help (maybe) if she punched them all. And there arent just 4 Brass Blades in Ul'dah, there are hundreds...and .once its known that you're attacking them, they would gather as many as they can to capture you (coincidentally...its actually what they did and why the Scions stayed behind...and why you fled on the carriage ASAP.)