Ul'dah Civil War?

[NoloeTazier]

Does that have something to do with the zombie thing in the Ul'dah/Sil'dih war? Also...it seems Lolorito is not so comical now after all.

Can anyone tell me more about what Lolorito's role was in the original 1.0 story? And while we're bridging things....what about Teledji Adeledji in 1.0?

Lolorito was wanting to side with the Garleans and do business with them. He owns the Goldsmith and Weaver guilds, he owns the Brass Blades (think of the Koch bros but by himself and in terms of evil and shadowy-behind the scenes things). He was always going to be a threat to the Sultana and he always wanted more. Niellefresne stole an important dagger from him in 1.0, the Heartstrike dagger. It was a dagger that was said to have the ability to revive the dead or atleast let one commune with them, Niellefresne was stabbed in the back by a STILL unknown assassin before Mumuapo (the 1.0 THM guild leader who was relieved of duty by the Sultana after the Calamity) could return from the guild with certain items for the ritual they were to perform.

Fast forward a bit to 2.0 and Lolorito had gotten rid of most of the whipper snappers from the original 1.0 story (Nielle, Greinfarr, F'lhaminn) and had formed up the Alacran to do more of his shady works. Early in the story line the Alacran had stole the Sultana's crown (funny thing was it was made to be seen as an Ascian plan) and were to exchange it for a powder/item that was said to be the same substance that the Sil'dih had used to start their zombie army (which lore wise the Ul'dahns actually barricaded the Sil'dihns inside their city and the zombies ran amuck).

Teledji Adeledji was absent in 1.0, we never actually met him. The only time we saw him was when Raubhan had his speech and the Syndicate stood behind him, I think he didn't have a mustache at the time.

[RobinRethiel]

Seems to me the story is heading towards an inevitable civil war.

If the story would be real, you would have a civil war for sure. 100% and the Monetarist would just ally with the empire (like they already planed once) - and probably killed by it sooner or later . But since it is no real story, everything will be just as Square wants it to be. If Square decides, that we have to marry the emperor next week, this would happen, too.

It's impossible to say, how things may develop, because it's fictional and Square can make happen whatever they want.

[RobinRethiel]

Obvious spoilers for those not having done certain class quests:

Lord Lolorito is the most powerful and influential of the Syndicate members, the Alacran in the story line (and Gladiator storyline) worked for him. The Alacran and the Brass Blades are both owned by Lord Lolorito. The Brass Blades are in charge of customs, viewing merchant wears entering Ul'dah. Lolorito has all the power. He was also given something by the Sultansworn (not said if the Alacran that obtained it was tracked down and stopped) in exchange for the stolen crown. He will definitely be the most major player in future Ul'dah storylines. Also Lord Lolorito is tied to the frozen-death like state of Niellefresne (ugh I'm gonna bring this up over and over until finally given closure) with the dagger having been his and Niellefresne stealing it, trying to use the power of the dagger and some Thaumaturge ability to communicate with Warburton to find out the "true threat to Eorzea" (not being the Garleans). He has enough gil to buy the Thaumaturge guild, most of the guild itself has capable of assassinations. If a rich person is killed, in an unnatural way, and he has bought a "revenge-will" with the Thaumaturge -- it becomes their duty to carry out the will regardless of who it is. The Thaumaturge guild and the Alchemist guild brings together the perfect combination of deadly results for the Sultana. Assassins with access to poison.

Also about the Platinum Mirage, the Sultana's brother (it's in the AM and I'm too tired to look it up or know it off the top of my head) owns the Pugilist Guild / Casino. He sits on the Syndicate but whether he's on his sister's side or the Syndicates is unknown. After all if she were to have a mishap, chances are he'd be the next in line for power.

Biggest problem is, that money is really not everything, even less in a land like Eorza. So while it may give you some power, it's very strange, that it gives that much.

[Hiruke]

were to exchange it for a powder/item that was said to be the same substance that the Sil'dih had used to start their zombie army (which lore wise the Ul'dahns actually barricaded the Sil'dihns inside their city and the zombies ran amuck).

I don't know about that. Spoiler from Hildibrand questline:

Pretty sure the end of the Hildibrand quests made it clear that Ul'dah was the ones who created the powder and used it as a weapon on Sil'dih, no?

[treuhavik]

I don't know about that. Spoiler from Hildibrand questline:

Pretty sure the end of the Hildibrand quests made it clear that Ul'dah was the ones who created the powder and used it as a weapon on Sil'dih, no?

Sil'dah actually created the "weapon" to keep their armies fighting even in death. Well, it worked, as you well know, and their forces were made undead. Funny thing about zombies, though, they don't listen well or discriminate when it comes to "BRAAAAIINNNNS". Ul'dah used Sil'dah's abominable tactics to justify all-out war on their sister-city.

[RobinRethiel]

Royalists have the Paladins and the Flames.

Actually, since I'm seldom in Uldah, I simply forgot about the Sultansworn. And hell, what a giant plot hole. They are the Elite Guard of the Palace, as Paladin clearly above every normal soldier. But they simply vanished into nothing while this coup. This makes no sense at all. Maybe you can keep the Flames away with a trick, but the Sultansworn? It's their job to keep the Sultana and the Palace safe. But they were just gone...

[Ultimatecalibur]

Actually, since I'm seldom in Uldah, I simply forgot about the Sultansworn. And hell, what a giant plot hole. They are the Elite Guard of the Palace, as Paladin clearly above every normal soldier. But they simply vanished into nothing while this coup. This makes no sense at all. Maybe you can keep the Flames away with a trick, but the Sultansworn? It's their job to keep the Sultana and the Palace safe. But they were just gone...

If you have done the Paladin questline you would know that the Monetarists are well practiced in influencing/misdirecting the Sultansworn.

[ExKage]

Sil'dah actually created the "weapon" to keep their armies fighting even in death. Well, it worked, as you well know, and their forces were made undead. Funny thing about zombies, though, they don't listen well or discriminate when it comes to "BRAAAAIINNNNS". Ul'dah used Sil'dah's abominable tactics to justify all-out war on their sister-city.

I'm pretty sure that was the point. Ul'dah had essentially re-written history to say that Sil'dih was the ones to use it. That's what the whole last part of the Hildibrand questline was. Godbert even makes mention that he'll try and see to it that things will say the truth.

[RobinRethiel]

If you have done the Paladin questline you would know that the Monetarists are well practiced in influencing/misdirecting the Sultansworn.

Sure, some, but not all. And hell, if they do it all the time, EVERYONE would not trust them, so there scheme would be pointless (it's much to obvious anyway, especially trying to blame the present main hero of the three countries...).

[Ultimatecalibur]

Sure, some, but not all. And hell, if they do it all the time, EVERYONE would not trust them, so there scheme would be pointless (it's much to obvious anyway, especially trying to blame the present main hero of the three countries...).

Did you miss the part where they were good enough at manipulating that they got a high ranking Royalist Sultansworn to chase after you believing that you were the Monetarist agent?