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    Player
    Sushikins's Avatar
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    Cirina Ejinn
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    Regarding the actions of our PC during the incident: Someone pointed out that we didn't have our weapon on during the cut scene, and while it is legitimate to assume that we were asked to remove our weapon before a private meeting with the Sultana, the PC's weapon is missing in cut scenes throughout and in fact I think that's pretty standard for any cut scene that doesn't have you going into battle. I imagine that either: 1) Our character surrendered peacefully, not wanting to cause an even larger scene, and their pissed expression later on likely of result of seeing Ilberd and putting 2 and 2 together and realizing what's going on. 2) Maybe we did fight back, but perhaps Ilberd showed up and subdued and arrested us, and it's later revealed he's actually quite a bit stronger than he's let on thus far. He took out Raubahn with relative ease, and while he may not be as strong as he was back in the day, I don't think he's NPC level pushover either.

    As for why we never stopped to fight or help the other Scions while running away, my best guess is that while we could easily take the soldiers one on one and even in groups, it's a little different when you're trapped in a city and probably have thousands of soldiers after you, in which case escape was likely a better option than fighting and near endless swarm of grunts that would eventually completely surround you and trap you in the city. I still don't think it's a good excuse for just letting the Scions stand ground and sacrifice themselves while you stand by and do nothing though.

    Honestly I feel like it would've been better if the story had done something to severely weaken your character during this scene, like poison or something, and it would've gone through a bit better. While it is true that we did get the blessing removed from us, that didn't stop us from fighting both a Ascian and a giant dragon, and while both those fights were in party, it's not like we were visibly weakened to grunt level.

    As for walking into an obvious trap, sadly I'm used to video games forcing your character to be stupid and walk into those to move the plot forward, it's a shame and I wish it wasn't like that, but it is what it is. At this point I'm just trying to find a decent way to justify in my head what happened to the MC because it just feels so lazy and horribly out of character.
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    I really enjoyed the new 2.55 storyline. I like that SE took the dark path and decided to shed some "blood" (even censored) in the story.Everyone is vulnerable. We also saw the other sides of the GC leaders. They are not always behaving as you would like for them to behave. Many people did not like that Maerlwyb and Kan-E-Seena turned their backs to us and refused to help us. But for me this was excellent since now they seem more convincing as state leaders. The nation and its profits always comes first no matter what. They behaved exactly as you would expect from a politician. Because after all they are politicians. I would like in future to see more deep stories and better cutscenes though. The voice acting was mediocre. And our character the warrior of light is a muted emotionless puppet. This must be fixed in future pls.
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    Grey F'urr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riardon View Post
    And our character the warrior of light is a muted emotionless puppet. This must be fixed in future pls.
    If you talk to Serendipity, the goldsmith guild leader, she says:

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    Quote Originally Posted by greyfurr View Post
    If you talk to Serendipity, the goldsmith guild leader, she says:

    Perhaps a bit off topic, but I think a "Mini-Me"-esque minion that wore the AF of your current job and otherwise looked like a chibi version of you would be an awesome pet. Especially if it nodded at regular intervals. >w>

    On topic: Dangit, I hate this, one of my favorite NPCs is dead, we get a Man Behind The Man after finally seeing Teledji kick the bucket, and in effect we accomplished ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Also, all the respect I had built up for Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb just disappeared in a puff of smoke when they abandoned the Scions and I to our fate.

    About the only upshot to all this is that at least we don't have any confirmed deaths on the Scions, and getting to see Haurchefant verbally Bright-Slap Alph.
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkStar View Post
    Also, all the respect I had built up for Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb just disappeared in a puff of smoke when they abandoned the Scions and I to our fate.
    They were probably terrified that the Crystal Braves were trying to pull a similar thing in their home territories, so they rushed home in case. Either way, they know they can't trust the Crystal Braves, and will most likely try to slowly move them out of their city-states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greyfurr View Post
    If you talk to Serendipity, the goldsmith guild leader, she says:

    LOL I forget who, Thancred I think, at one point mentions your silent gestures and "stoic nods."

    Speaking of Thancred, I love how he's always in trouble with women. It's funny.
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    So....I livestreamed my experience if anyone's curious....

    I'm still cooling down about what happened...after completing the main scenario...I half-heartedly went through my moogle delivery quests to get my cap (I'll actually read them on my alt...the main scenario just drained me too much)

    And this has been my poor little Mini ever since:



    Feelings aside, I get the feeling that the spells/abilities we witnessed the scions using may be a peek at what's to come when level cap is raised....and they are rather bad ass.

    I must also say though...Lolorito's English voice acting is absolutely terrible!

    Quote Originally Posted by Seiss View Post
    Nanamo Spoilers

    Jenlyns: If Her Grace were not convalescing from illness, she would surely put an end to this madness. Alas, in her absence, the Monetarists are firmly in control...
    Jenlyns: After everything that has happened, you ask me this? You should know full well that the Monetarists are a faction within the Syndicate─the organization which wields greater influence than the sultana herself.
    Jenlyns: Their grip on power has never been stronger, now that General Raubahn has been confined to the Marasaja Pit for his crimes at the royal banquet.
    Jenlyns: I fear that until the sultana recovers from her illness, Lord Lolorito and his minions will face little opposition. Yet it may be some time before that comes to pass. Her condition is so serious that even I have been denied an audience...


    I hope this is true, and that that npc wasn't fed that information to keep him quiet...I wont raise my hopes though
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    My thoughts about ARR's ending


    I want uldah fall to ruins like ala'mhigo, since almost all trash from uldah come from ala'mhigo, and lalas.

    Nanamo UI's dead... if someone watchs bleach anime or naruto, lolorito is like aizen / black zetsu, but even more cruel, gaius van baelsar and nael van darnus are less evil than him. I prefer nero ruling over uldah than... they

    I wish scions were still alive, but I don't have my hopes up


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    Ralos Mikorius
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    Adamantoise
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    I'm worried about the space time continuum

    So putting aside my feelings dealing with this patch's portion of the story (Don't really like it this time) I'm finding some areas of inconsistency that are bothering me.

    First is the whole Dragoon thing. My main job is DRG, but really anyone who has completed the Dragoon job quests knows we've already met Estinein before. You also know that our relationship with Estinein didn't end well at the end of the job quests. Now SE didn't completely ignore this as Estinein gives a little wink and nod to you if you've completed the job quests and says don't worry we won't fight, but I feel that's not enough.

    He was entirely in Nidhogg's thrall.... he had deep anger and wanted vengeance... and now it's all subsided? I presumed him dead (and his disappearance wasn't entirely ambiguous) so can I get a little explanation here?
    If I really wanna get nit picky, how do you explain this for the people who are under taking the DRG job quests durring, or even after this point in the story line?

    and then Nanamo dieing (wtf to that, my favorite NPC) causes problems in the
    CUL story line, the end of which has you serving dinner to Merylweb and the Sultana, and succeeding spectacularly much to the dismay of lord Lolorito.

    Anyone else noticed things like this?

    There's probably some quest or another featuring Raubahn too despite being jailed and missing an arm. (again, wtf to that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernehalwes View Post
    Great idea, Ralos!

    I'll pass it along to Yoshi-P personally

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    Airget Lamh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralos View Post
    I'm worried about the space time continuum

    So putting aside my feelings dealing with this patch's portion of the story (Don't really like it this time) I'm finding some areas of inconsistency that are bothering me.

    First is the whole Dragoon thing. My main job is DRG, but really anyone who has completed the Dragoon job quests knows we've already met Estinein before. You also know that our relationship with Estinein didn't end well at the end of the job quests.Now SE didn't completely ignore this as Estinein gives a little wink and nod to you if you've completed the job quests and says don't worry we won't fight, but I feel that's not enough.

    He was entirely in Nidhogg's thrall.... he had deep anger and wanted vengeance... and now it's all subsided? I presumed him dead (and his disappearance wasn't entirely ambiguous) so can I get a little explanation here?
    If I really wanna get nit picky, how do you explain this for the people who are under taking the DRG job quests durring, or even after this point in the story line?

    and then Nanamo dieing (wtf to that, my favorite NPC) causes problems in the
    CUL story line, the end of which has you serving dinner to Merylweb and the Sultana, and succeeding spectacularly much to the dismay of lord Lolorito.

    Anyone else noticed things like this?

    There's probably some quest or another featuring Raubahn too despite being jailed and missing an arm. (again, wtf to that)
    There is only so much "consistency" you can have in terms of a timeline when it comes to events like that.

    A way to look at it is like this. ALL DOL/DOH/DOW/DOM classes quest take place before 2.1. Assume when you are doing those class quest it's before 2.1 to further resources by having to change the story does make it a bit harder to manage so youjust have to say to yourself "All these stories take place before 2.1"

    If you start to think to much into every nook and cranny it will just be that much harder to right the story, it's a lot simpler to just have ti be "did they complete x story quest" or "did they not" then with two choices they can add extra flavor for those who did compared to those who didn't. But if they started to go down the rabbit hole and prepare for every situation they would pretty much be setting up for scenarios that might occur 2% of the time.

    But see it's actually a good sign they are doing this because it shows they aren't going to be held back by old CS or story based events that might conflict with present-tense scenarios. So something like the Sultana falling might have been seen as impossible because she is involved in the Culinary story but now that we see this as a possibility it pretty much means no NPC is really safe but the safety of said NPCs isn't going to occur within the same patch in which they are involved in something important.

    You most likely won't run into a scenario where John Doe is involved in a job quest but then if you play in the same patch in which John Doe was revealed he dies in the main story, they most likely wouldn't do something like that but, John Doe could potentially die along the line in any subsequent patch from his arrival.


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