SP Grind Camps

[Tuxedomask]

I didn't know how to send him a direct message so I commented on one of his posts. Thanks Tux

I don't want to type out his E-mail due to bots, but if you look at the right side column under "FFXIV Camps" just above "Lodestone News", he has a little hyper link to "Notify Me".

He also has an account on this Forum...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-Cannot-Login
His name is Ernie Keebler.

And, No, Thank YOU! Kinseykinz. I just started playing the game a week ago, and I found your forum post the day I started. It has helped me and my parties tremendously. I've been linking your forum post to everyone I know.

Keep it up! and everyone that contributes!
Making noobs like me actually enjoy the game.

[Kinseykinz]

I don't want to type out his E-mail due to bots, but if you look at the right side column under "FFXIV Camps" just above "Lodestone News", he has a little hyper link to "Notify Me".

He also has an account on this Forum...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-Cannot-Login
His name is Ernie Keebler.

And, No, Thank YOU! Kinseykinz. I just started playing the game a week ago, and I found your forum post the day I started. It has helped me and my parties tremendously. I've been linking your forum post to everyone I know.

Keep it up! and everyone that contributes!
Making noobs like me actually enjoy the game.

Yup, I wrote him on that forum, and I'm glad it's helped. I haven't be able to add many more camps this past week due to rl/raiding when in game BUT hopefully that can change later this week. (I have new Ideas I wanna try )

[Frein]

There is some bad advice in this thread. You'll only want to hunt mobs with very high base SP values and some of these suggestions don't follow that rule. Here's a chart on mob base SP.

Most enemy types don't give a base of 150+ until such high levels that they don't become viable targets under the current rank cap. I believe raptors have the lowest HP of all 150 base mobs, which makes them the ideal targets. The problem at just about every camp, though, is that the respawn rate cannot keep up with the killing speed of even a single light party targeting enemies 10 ranks above the party (going beyond 10 ranks will not yield any additional SP).

I really do not see how full parties could possibly be viable anywhere. The respawn rate just isn't there and you'll run out of mobs in no time. Recently I was in a 5-man party where we hunted 11-14 levels above peistes (a high hp mob) at Riversmeet and even though the area is huge and has tons of peistes, they eventually went extinct and respawned extremely slowly.

Drakes have a 200 base and I'm curious if there are any viable camps with high 50s to low 60s drakes to hunt. I believe most of them are L70+, however.

[Kinseykinz]

There is some bad advice in this thread. You'll only want to hunt mobs with very high base SP values and some of these suggestions don't follow that rule. Here's a chart on mob base SP.

Most enemy types don't give a base of 150+ until such high levels that they don't become viable targets under the current rank cap. I believe raptors have the lowest HP of all 150 base mobs, which makes them the ideal targets. The problem at just about every camp, though, is that the respawn rate cannot keep up with the killing speed of even a single light party targeting enemies 10 ranks above the party (going beyond 10 ranks will not yield any additional SP).

I really do not see how full parties could possibly be viable anywhere. The respawn rate just isn't there and you'll run out of mobs in no time. Recently I was in a 5-man party where we hunted 11-14 levels above peistes (a high hp mob) at Riversmeet and even though the area is huge and has tons of peistes, they eventually went extinct and respawned extremely slowly.

Drakes have a 200 base and I'm curious if there are any viable camps with high 50s to low 60s drakes to hunt. I believe most of them are L70+, however.

First off: While I'm sure you're correct that some of these camps don't grant the absolute best sp/mob or sp/hour, at least people were trying to help, and any idea is worth trying.
Secondly: Many have stated that their camps are for smaller party or might be less sp/kill but the kills are quicker and therefore the sp/hour greater. Also, some people don't want to have to expend the anima/travel time to get to 'the most ideal camps or can't find the appropiate party rank/classes/size to do that camp. These are other sp-grind options.
Thirdly: Your chart in the link is from pre-patch 1:18. SE keeps adjusting mob groupings/types/mob ranks/ and sp gains. No chart or post should be considered a 'holy grail'.
Forth: There are areas of the map that have LARGE amounts of mobs and the respawn rate is there now (see above) For example: the raptors near Iron Lake. (and if people run out of raptors, they usually kill the nearby beastmen/efts until the raptors respawn).
Fifth: Welcome back to the game: I checked your lodestone history, you've only been back in the game since patch 1:18. Before that your last history moment was from April, and before that December-ish. While it's great to see you back in the game, discrediting people with old information that might not be valid isn't the best way to go. Maybe try out some of the locations that are discussing first WITH the set-ups suggested and clock your sp gains/hour vs. sp/mob. Most of these ideas should work out. Some of course still might not.
Sixth: Different Battleclass combinations *might* get different results or find certain camps/mobs easier/harder than others. For instance, the 'gnat' camp might not be good for someone without a ranged attack ability since gnats aggro.
Seventh: Respawn rates will be adjusted as/when SE realizes there's a problem. As stated earlier, SE keeps adjusting mob spawn locations, amount of mob etc.

As to the drakes, not sure how they work out now, but yes, there are drakes in Mor Dorna that would be worth exploring. My ls and I checked them out pre-patch and noticed they'd be pretty good probably ranks 48ish-53ish. BUT, not sure if they are still there and not sure if they still grant same sp base.

[Frein]

Secondly: Many have stated that their camps are for smaller party or might be less sp/kill but the kills are quicker and therefore the sp/hour greater. Also, some people don't want to have to expend the anima/travel time to get to 'the most ideal camps or can't find the appropiate party rank/classes/size to do that camp. These are other sp-grind options.

No camp is suitable for a large party. Lower base SP mobs don't die faster, they just give less SP, so it doesn't make sense to fight them regardless of setup if higher base SP mobs are available for your level range.

Thirdly: Your chart in the link is from pre-patch 1:18. SE keeps adjusting mob groupings/types/mob ranks/ and sp gains. No chart or post should be considered a 'holy grail'.

The chart has been correct for every mob I have fought so far. I don't think SE has altered the base SP values.

Forth: There are areas of the map that have LARGE amounts of mobs and the respawn rate is there now (see above) For example: the raptors near Iron Lake. (and if people run out of raptors, they usually kill the nearby beastmen/efts until the raptors respawn).

The area around IL has some of the largest amounts of suitable grind mobs, yet it can't even support two parties hunting the same level raptors. The nearby Kobolds have a base of 100 and more HP and are thus much worse for grinding. The efts on the other hand are IIRC considerably higher in level (62+) than even the highest level raptors that cap out at 49.

Sixth: Different Battleclass combinations *might* get different results or find certain camps/mobs easier/harder than others. For instance, the 'gnat' camp might not be good for someone without a ranged attack ability since gnats aggro.

Gnats have a base of 100 and will not beat raptors (150) regardless of group composition. If it was possible to AoE grind, things could be different but that is not the case.

Seventh: Respawn rates will be adjusted as/when SE realizes there's a problem. As stated earlier, SE keeps adjusting mob spawn locations, amount of mob etc.

That's good because there is a respawn problem just about everywhere.

I don't want to attack people trying to be helpful, but misinformation is indeed more harmful than no information.

[Kinseykinz]

Frein, I think you misunderstood the idea behind this tread. I just was trying to create a place where people could share ideas they've tried/found. I'm sure that while some of these are excellent ideas, others might fall a little short.

Also, I never meant to imply that lower based SP mobs die faster due to simply having lower base SP. Instead what I meant was if I can pull/kill Mob A where I gain 180sp/kill faster than you can pull/kill Mob B where you gain 210sp/kill, then it is completely possible that I can gain the same sp/hour or even more than you.

And the no area supports a full-party thing: Well many of the suggestions people have offered so far are for Light Party Groupings or smaller. Occasionally, there is some crossover in group size/level etc. I'm not going to edit peoples suggestions ideas, rather let people who choose to read this forum make their own decisions.

Also there's a big difference between someone suggesting a party camp location for one group of 4 lets say, and then suggesting that it's not a good camp because it can't support 2 groups of 4.

Lastly, sometimes people might know 'the sp at this grind camp isn't as good as that grind camp over there' but choose to do it anyway because they benefit in other ways: Like maybe they can save on Anima, or not have to compete with another party for SP, or do behests/leves nearby, farm for mats/profit, etc. Heck are tired of killing the 'usual grind mobs.' All of those reasons add validity to these camps too.

I am in no way trying to start a fight with you either, I'm merely just trying to explain that 'sure, some of these camps might not be the best, but they're worth exploring.' Your method for ranking up and selecting mobs is equally valid.

[Lancerz]

At rank 5 head north of black brush and kill moiling moles, they give over 900 sp per kill. So you will rank up very fast killing those. At rank 14 or 15 you can duo those popoto opotos north of camp tranquil...they give around 600 sp a kill

[Zdenka]

No camp is suitable for a large party. Lower base SP mobs don't die faster, they just give less SP, so it doesn't make sense to fight them regardless of setup if higher base SP mobs are available for your level range.

Lower base SP mobs have lower HP tiers and attack tiers. They DO die faster than 150 base SP mobs, and they do less damage to you meaning you might never have to stop.



Also @ the people that were duoing Amaljaa at L20... you get bonus SP up to R24 (which is why Reinhart was saying they are sorta bad).

20-25k SP off those Amaljaa at 20 is sorta bleh... you can duo around 50-60k / hr off Cellar Puks in Nanawa at that level (assuming L50 physical)

[Frein]

Lower base SP mobs have lower HP tiers and attack tiers. They DO die faster than 150 base SP mobs, and they do less damage to you meaning you might never have to stop.

It's true that lower SP mobs are often weaker, but there are exceptions and a mob with half the base SP of another mob probably isn't only half as powerful.