This is often how I see new players treated in FFXIV:

[Mageri]

I didn't see a picture, but I'm going to try to shift your perspective.

Concerning cut scenes, you can access near all of them in the Inn, as introduced at level 15(?). There's a book in there that you can watch cut scenes on. I, myself, always skipped cut scenes due to me just being a rushy person. I did watch the primal ones, though... I do agree that the community can be a bit hostile towards newbies, I don't think it's avoidable. the duty finder is set up in a way that makes it near impossible to get people from your server alone. It spans to all the servers iirc, and as you may know, jerks are everywhere. Sometimes, though, the familiar players are not at fault, and it's rather, the newbie's fault. I always like a new person, but if they don't ask questions, or they don't pipe up when I ask if they need a run-down, sucks for them. I understand that they may be shy, or embarrassed, but you should expect to be met with displeasure when you charge in thinking you can wing it.

[Gyson]

I didn't see a picture, but I'm going to try to shift your perspective.

Concerning cut scenes, you can access near all of them in the Inn, as introduced at level 15(?). There's a book in there that you can watch cut scenes on. I, myself, always skipped cut scenes due to me just being a rushy person.

I think if you're interested in the story enough to watch the cutscenes (and some players actually are interested in it) then there's really no comparison to seeing a cutscene during the adventure as was intended versus watching it after in an inn when the surrounding context is missing.

Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium, for example.. I was fortunate enough to have a group that waited through each and every cutscene (they even wore ilevel 50 gear to make the run more authentic). The adventure was epic.. and yet I hear from people all the time who are forced to skip through these cutscenes (or else find that their party has completed everything without them while they watched the movies), and that just kills me. Yes, in the grand scheme of things these are first-world problems, but we're talking about games in a game forum, and in the context of gaming it just stinks that new players are having their RPG experience spoiled this way.

Honestly, I wish Square would just remove the ability to skip cutscenes whenever a first-time viewer was in the group. Everyone else is getting a tomestone bonus because of the new person anyway - they should be able to stomach some cutscenes in return. It would take pressure off the new player and it removes the option to bully new players into compliance.

Nobody stopped him, we were just guna do Gilgamesh without him while he did that.

Are you honestly having difficulty understanding why a first-timer would want to watch the cutscene AND participate in the fight?

So..sorry in this case the other 7 folks shouldn't have to wait for you because you're new. Watch the scene, nobody was stopping you. Come back again and do the fight if you want and you can in fact watch the scenes in your inn room later too. You can't go into a duty finder and expect folks to sit idle for you, get a party, get friends, use party finder or get a better FC for that. Duty finder, as harsh as it is to say, is to get the duty done.

Well, as long as we're pulling opinions out of the air, the duty finder also provides you with bonus rewards in exchange for being helpful/patient with the new person. The flaw is that it rewarded you with that bonus even when you clearly weren't helpful or patient.

[Gurpsmeister]

And yes, gyson. I can understand why, I feel the same way when I hope into new content. It's why I get my fc or start a story with scene party finder. I have the courtesy enough not to force 7 other people to slow it up for me when there are better ways.

[Gyson]

And yes, gyson. I can understand why, I feel the same way when I hope into new content. It's why I get my fc or start a story with scene party finder. I have the courtesy enough not to force 7 other people to slow it up for me when there are better ways.

From not being in an FC, to not having enough members online, available, or even interested whenever a dungeon run is blocking someone's progress on the storyline, there are many reasonable reasons why a FC isn't always an option. And when people are complaining about 30+ minute queue times in a cross-server Duty Finder, I think it's actually pretty unreasonable to expect someone to catch a little luck in the party finder in any sane amount of time. You're on Balmung, which I think we can agree is quite a bit more populated than Faerie (where the original poster is from).

If the bonus tomestone reward is not there to encourage you to be patient/understanding/helpful to a first-timer in a given dungeon, what exactly do you think it's for?

Maybe Square should change it so that, going forward, the new player should get to decide at the end of the run whether or not his group should receive that tomestone bonus or not.

[dekal]

...if you're interested in the story enough to watch the cutscenes (and some players actually are interested in it) then there's really no comparison to seeing a cutscene during the adventure as was intended versus watching it after in an inn when the surrounding context is missing.

Honestly, I wish Square would just remove the ability to skip cutscenes whenever a first-time viewer was in the group. Everyone else is getting a tomestone bonus because of the new person anyway - they should be able to stomach some cutscenes in return.

Are you honestly having difficulty understanding why a first-timer would want to watch the cutscene AND participate in the fight?

I agree with this. In the couple of dungeon HM I was in, players would just start fighting without me and other new players. Even the healer didn't resurrect us but did with well geared characters and they were getting our bonus.

Gyson party with me D=!!!!I got my zen weapon now xD.

[Gurpsmeister]

You mention the sold bonus like it's relevant. To many maybe it is, it's meaningless to me. Nothing you say has changed a thing. Duty Finder isn't the place to go cut scene viewing. You can't simply tell folks queuing to farm every time to hold up. Party finder, friends list, fc, all better options. Your server isn't that empty.

[Gurpsmeister]

The only thing se should change is that they should stop putting cut scenes in things like that. Attach them to quests before or after.

[Gyson]

You mention the sold bonus like it's relevant. To many maybe it is, it's meaningless to me. Nothing you say has changed a thing. Duty Finder isn't the place to go cut scene viewing. You can't simply tell folks queuing to farm every time to hold up. Party finder, friends list, fc, all better options. Your server isn't that empty.

I don't think I asked whether the bonus was relevant to or needed by you. I asked what you thought the purpose of the bonus was, if not to be patient/understanding/helpful to a first-timer in a given dungeon. I feel like you keep dodging this question.

Regardless, I'm sure at one point the bonus was something you looked forward to receiving. That you seem to be suggesting that courtesy towards new people should go out the window the moment their bonus is no longer needed is disappointing. I don't need the bonus or even more commendations at this point, but I still find it more appealing to be nice to other gamers I play with.

I wasn't at this particular event outlined in the original post and don't know exactly what went down, but that's not really what I'm commenting on. My statements are more aimed at a disappointing attitude that seems to (unfortunately) rear its head too often in this community.

[Sadana]

You mention the sold bonus like it's relevant. To many maybe it is, it's meaningless to me. Nothing you say has changed a thing. Duty Finder isn't the place to go cut scene viewing. You can't simply tell folks queuing to farm every time to hold up. Party finder, friends list, fc, all better options. Your server isn't that empty.

Oh this again...
The game tells new players to go through the Duty Finder, not the Party Finder, not beg their FC to go with them, not watch the cut scenes in the inn later, the DUTY FINDER. Y'all c'mon... be nice and don't rush when you see the notice that there is a new player. If YOU (as in those who have done all this before) don't like watching cut scenes yet again or want to farm (these dungeons? really?), YOU should go use the PF or your FC.

The only reason I tell folks to go with their FC is to protect them from speed runners.
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My FC is set up to do exactly stuff like this. We help each other out. Maybe you do need to find a better FC, OP. :/

Agreed 100% fellow lalas.
Yeah some people are impatient asshole. I've been here for 2 month only but the community is not that good as I expected, because only less than half are FF fans and other are just normal mmo fan.

Better ask SE to remove bonus and made a separate server for FF fan and normal mmoer.
And I'm not really encourage any FF fans to come here for better game community.

See, this is a problem I'm having... what happens when all the good guys stick together and don't use the DF anymore? You end up with just the assholes left in the DF. ; ; I don't wish OP's experience on ANYONE in this game, but I can't protect everyone. :/


Oh, and a bit of back story (that some of y'all may have heard before), I was cussed at through Sastasha. STORY.
during EARLY ACCESS. =_=
For nothing more than saying I was having trouble targeting on the ps3.
So, yeah... I'm rather sensitive on the topic.

I DO automatically skip all CS now, but I'll wait for the new player to watch them. That's what /mdance is for...

[Gurpsmeister]

And no, sorry. For everyone saying newbs deserve X, so too do vets. PF, DF, FC it's for everyone. In every situation there's a better choice. If you go into a DF and simply EXPECT people to wait for you then you're in the wrong. If you ask and everyone agrees then okay, if you ask and not everyone agrees, sucks but it's the route you choose to take. Going with FC or PF could've been better for you. This works in reverse. Farmers (such as myself) can make it perfect by going with FC or PF, in some cases that's not avail so I duty finder it. IF this situation came up and the other healer ACTUALLY communicated about it instead of stayed silent and then ranted, there's a fair shot that the folks in the run would've said no problem. I can't know that for sure because the OP -NEVER- did anything but act entitled and pout, failing to do his job as a healer.