The 2.5 (Part 1 & 2) speculation thread

[jomoru]

That and from a heroic standpoint the dragons have never shown discrimination in their war towards innocents. While the Dragons might not be the 'bad guys' of the war, they are just as guilty of wanton slaughter. If we question why we protect Ishgard, the same can be asked about Limsa who are guilty of starting the war with the Kobalds.

Ishgard doesn't exactly easily filter out its civilians vs Military targets so claiming that the dragons are attacking innocents wantonly is debateable.

[Intaki]

Ishgard doesn't exactly easily filter out its civilians vs Military targets so claiming that the dragons are attacking innocents wantonly is debateable.

They massacred an entire town down to literally the last person.

[jomoru]

They massacred an entire town down to literally the last person.

Ishgard has no towns that are not military bases. Breath weapons on fotresses aren't exactly easy targets. I'm not going to start pinning war crimes on either side til I see it in character.

[PArcher]

Ishgard has no towns that are not military bases. Breath weapons on fotresses aren't exactly easy targets. I'm not going to start pinning war crimes on either side til I see it in character.

Wrong.

Just go do the DRG quests (or look them up). The DRG antagonist was the sole survivor of Nidhogg's rampage around his hometown (however, remember there was a bit more to it than just that, esp after the previous Azure Dragon's confession)

[jomoru]

Wrong.

Just go do the DRG quests (or look them up). The DRG antagonist was the sole survivor of Nidhogg's rampage around his hometown (however, remember there was a bit more to it than just that, esp after the previous Azure Dragon's confession)

And we have seen no towns in game controlled by Ishgard that don't double as military targets. I'm not saying dragons are perfect moral warriors following all the rules of modern warfare, though I am saying we only get the perspective of the Ishgardians who have reason to say "This fortress filled with Dragon killing weapons is perfectly innocent and any attack on it is unjustified!"

[Belhi]

And we have seen no towns in game controlled by Ishgard that don't double as military targets. I'm not saying dragons are perfect moral warriors following all the rules of modern warfare, though I am saying we only get the perspective of the Ishgardians who have reason to say "This fortress filled with Dragon killing weapons is perfectly innocent and any attack on it is unjustified!"

We have hardly seen much of Ishgard proper and you have to remember those bunkers on the route between the Observatory and Camp Dragonhead are specifically to house peasants during dragon attacks to keep them from being easy pray. If they are military structures then they exist solely to keep the dragons from slaughtering the non military targets.

I'm not say either side is in the right. I suspect both sides have long since been fighting a brutal and ruthless war. I don't however think the Dragons are simply misunderstood. I think there is a lot more to the war than has been presented for either side and the final quest in the DRG story only strengthens my suspicions of that, not just because of the story of the village but the actual conclusion and battle and how it ends.

[jomoru]

We have hardly seen much of Ishgard proper and you have to remember those bunkers on the route between the Observatory and Camp Dragonhead are specifically to house peasants during dragon attacks to keep them from being easy pray. If they are military structures then they exist solely to keep the dragons from slaughtering the non military targets.

I'm not say either side is in the right. I suspect both sides have long since been fighting a brutal and ruthless war. I don't however think the Dragons are simply misunderstood. I think there is a lot more to the war than has been presented for either side and the final quest in the DRG story only strengthens my suspicions of that, not just because of the story of the village but the actual conclusion and battle and how it ends.

I am not saying dragons are pure moral warriors vs the Evil blacker than black ishgard. I am saying any statement from Ishgard about Dragon atrocities are distinctly suspect. I mean who knows HOW long the Ascians have been directing the war? They could have started it for all we know. There is a distinct impression I get from the setup that early Ishgard was probably founded with the AID of the dragons and that's why Shiva was a Saint then. Even the Dragoon ending talks about returning things to the way they were.