The problem with Summoners

[Vallhallix]

I'm in agreement, and I say this as a former SMN fanboy. It was my first class, one day I just decided to try BLM and I never looked back. SMN is without a doubt the class lacking most in the game. It is very bland. I feel all the classes have their "hell yeah" moments except SMN. With BLM its double flaring and getting crazy procs. Plus BLM just has CRAZY utlity that is fun as hell to excecute in PVP. I love using atheral manipulation to zoom back to the party if I stray to far in PVP (its awesome using it in instances too). I think a lot of SMN blandness comes from the fact it is a DOT class with no good burst. Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

[OneWingedSora]

Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

Depends on the player really. I have no problems managing pet on a controller whatsoever. Just needs some getting used to.

[Akiza]

I'm in agreement, and I say this as a former SMN fanboy. It was my first class, one day I just decided to try BLM and I never looked back. SMN is without a doubt the class lacking most in the game. It is very bland. I feel all the classes have their "hell yeah" moments except SMN. With BLM its double flaring and getting crazy procs. Plus BLM just has CRAZY utlity that is fun as hell to excecute in PVP. I love using atheral manipulation to zoom back to the party if I stray to far in PVP (its awesome using it in instances too). I think a lot of SMN blandness comes from the fact it is a DOT class with no good burst. Also SMN is hell if you're on PS4. Micro-managing with the pet was made for PC it's absolutely terrible on consoles and can cause you to screw up in instances.

I agree the blandness of the Summoner comes from SE making them a DoT class which doesn't fit the overall theme of the Summoner. Like the Black Mage the Summoner is a bursts direct damage dps but they bursts in different ways. The way SE designed Summoner was like taking two people that want to kill each other and forcing them to get married while waiting for them to implode. That's exactly wants happen the Arcanist and Summoner combo imploded.

[Vallhallix]

Yeah they could have done it differently with the pets. Now that i've been playing Ninja I see how they could have implemented summons better. SMN could have stayed bursty and instead use combos to summon different pets (on a timer ofcourse) to execute attacks rather than having them be pets. Maybe they could have had a damage increase but longer cooldown. It would have been much better imo. Not to mention all the "summon combos" would get used, with the pets as they are now you have 2 useless ones that hardly get used. I wasn't around when SMN released, was the class rushed or something? I feel like SMN got the short end of the stick because both Sch pets are useful and only one SMN pet is required. SMN won't get an overhaul though, that's just wishful thinking but some things that they can do to make it better.

- Shorter cooldown for enkindle
- Bane needs to effect the entire mob, Smn is the only dps with a limited AoE
- One good bursty skill that isn't tied with aether stacks
- Aetherflow buff
- Make titan and ifrit better.

[Sanguisio]

Ifrit is pretty good already, if contagion was swapped over, no one would ever use garuda.

Can't make titan better than actual tanks, would just be unfair.

[Vallhallix]

They don't have to make Titan a super tank, I would settle for giving them better utility equal to Garuda's.

[Iromi]

I hope so much that in 3.0 they give us contagion instead of linking it to garuda and get rid of or fix Tri Disaster >.< Also fix the pet AI...Ifrit dies so much..D:

Am very interested to see what role Leviathan/Ramuh/Shiva (if they putting her in) will have

[AreeyaJaidee]

... Can't make titan better than actual tanks, would just be unfair.

Ifrit's Radiant Shield needs to be changed to a utility ability that either gives him a str boost for x seconds or dmg received reduction.

Why can't Titan be buffed? You said to not make him "better " than actual tanks. First off he's not even as good as an actual tank. Secondly he's an actual tank... A small buff to put him on par with pld and war wouldn't invalidate pld and war, it would just create additional possibilities within already existing content and future content.

Titan will never outperform player tanks... Because in the end is just a simple ai controlled pet that can make player tanks life easier if desired.

Also I agree with most smn that Garuda's contagion needs to be a smn ability and give garuda a magic based self buff or other sorry buff that causes all aoe dmg she does to inflict a dot.

[Sanguisio]

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Why does ifrit need another utility, he stuns and does great dmg, 2xcrit chances compared to garuda and he benefits from DPS class debuffs e.g. WAR. Yeah I would like them to buff the pets immensely but even though its called SMN, I have given up on them even trying to make it a pet based class.

Titan egi is fine to tank with, too many people try to just SMN him with VIT accs which means you are gimping his emnity generation. So far i've tanked all of the primals with him (ramuh pre update) and did just fine with the normal party compo minus the tank. The only primal is havent managed successfully tank is Shiva, ifrit ex, Ramuh post update, havent tried SCOB or FCOB yet. For a SMN pet that is pretty ridiculous. It would be nice if he had a provoke, AOE skill, or more def CDs. But if he becomes too good, you are gonna piss off part of the player base unnecessarily.

It's a nice idea, but a grp are unlikely to take a SMN who is going to use Titan to alleviate some stress/pressure unless it means dropping an actual tank to bring another DPS. You either have titan good enough to replace a tank, able to pick up adds in midst of a fight which also means dealing with summoning MP issues, or he is not going to be worth it.

Garuda needs a buff full stop, she is weak.

[Vallhallix]

Titan is def not even close to being on par with real tanks. He struggles with multiple enemies and the moment he loses aggro it's almost impossible for him to get it back.