The problem with Summoners

[Alex_Lenderson]

I just don't understand how they keep saying things like "We're listening to your ideas!! We really are!" and then flat out say no. We don't know what's in store for us for the expansion and we won't know for a bit. In the footage we saw, the old models were being used. That being said, I didn't notice any other classes using new abilities. It's possible they just didn't want to spoil some kind of reveal. Only time will tell.

"Listening" doesn't mean agreeing. Sorry kind of a tangent but I hate it when people say, "You aren't listening to me." No... I am listening to you, I fully understand your argument and your concern and I still feel that you are wrong and/or I don't care.

Back to your schedule legitimate grievance with the summoner class.

[Shizuna]

I given up hope on seeing any buffs to SMN on the next patch cause I honestly believe they won't have any changes, or even at all, until Heavensward. There's been talks about how they wanna change how spell speed works and I don't see them separating SMN and SCH, since people will have to relearn a completely reworked class. They would have (or maybe should have) done it, like more than a year ago, but it feels like it's already too late to make a huge change with how far this game is now.

We, SMN mains, would just have to deal with how we are now for about 3 months... /sigh

[BaalTohu]

Why not making Summoner "mounting" on the primal? (something similar to FFX). Each Primal has its own skill set :3

[Orrias]

I just don't understand how they keep saying things like "We're listening to your ideas!! We really are!" and then flat out say no. We don't know what's in store for us for the expansion and we won't know for a bit. In the footage we saw, the old models were being used. That being said, I didn't notice any other classes using new abilities. It's possible they just didn't want to spoil some kind of reveal. Only time will tell.

They have been. It's just that 3.0 took priority over trying to re-balance an already dysfunctional Job.

The Summoner Job is a rushed attempt at trying to add an additional Job into the game, and is really no more than DPS Scholar with variant pets. I'd rather they re-hauled the Job (e.g. split it from Scholar, made Spell Speed much more purposeful, increased sustained and burst damage) than make minor tweaks to a few spells, that may or may not even be in around when the expansion hits.

All classes/ jobs, in MMO's, have their 'ups and downs' over the course or their respective games. Let them address the core issues rather than superficial one's.

Why not making Summoner "mounting" on the primal? (something similar to FFX). Each Primal has its own skill set :3

Scaling would be an issue: non-lalafel characters would need rather large summons to 'mount'. Imagine how big they'd have to be for a Roe, then ask yourself if you'd want a giant summon obstructing your view in boss fights.

[Atticon]

I quit summoner for rogue/ninja. It was just so boring, rotating through a bunch of dots, spamming ruin in the meanwhile, activating fester and pet buffs when they were up. There's no skill to it, no depth.
I think a lot of summoner player switched to ninja. I barely see any summoner players left on my server. It's been two weeks since I saw one in a DF run.

It's a shame, because I like the "fluff" of summoner. The books as weapons, the armor aesthetics, I don't have any qualms with how egi's look.
I just wish they copied WoW's demonology warlock rather than an affliction warlock.

[Truedragon]

Seeing jobs in a dungeon instance does not equate to amount of jobs in the population. I run dungeons as what I feel like using at that time which are often not my highest geared. It does not mean I stopped playing my mains.

[Atticon]

It's not just in DF's, it's everywhere. Believe me, I checked. Running around in the cities, residential districts, Revenant's Toll, Gold Saucer,...
Barely seeing any summoners left.

[Zentsa]

Im from Odin too and for this Server Atticon is right, SMN is the less populated class here.

[Truedragon]

Just because someone is not ON smn, doesnt mean they aren't a smn. This isnt FF11 where you have to go to a moogle to change your job. In ff14, you can change your job at any zone, at any time with a simple click of a button.

When you see someone crafting, when you see someone on a chocobo, when you see someone just standing in a zone afk, they could be on any job they want at that time but it wouldn't change a thing about them being a smn.

And btw, I see smns all the time at Mhor dhona, Limsa, or Gold saucer or out in zone. You aren't online all the time and even if you are, you can't keep track of everyone in and out, changing jobs. Your conclusion is flawed.

[Zentsa]

Im not on this server since 2 days, and its not a secret that smn is less populated than other classes, same with monk.
Dont know why you have a problem if some people say they dont see so much smn you do, dont take it to serious oO