Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[ExKage]

What are you talking about? I've been pro-communication from the start.
I think this sums everything up quite nicely. Communication is the key. End of story.

My point was really that the OP was placing all of the blame on the players not saying anything and he's not shown that he's willing to accept that part of the bad experience was on him as well. It wasn't necessarily directed towards your beliefs but a facetious reply that the answer is not always binary.


I've met a lot of people who are absolutely terrified in dungeons to speak up, because just like in real life people are afraid to point attention towards themselves. Saying "yeah I'm new" points a big target at them. It's painfully obvious that people are new but they are either pulled through the mud or they get mud thrown at them. Many of my roulette runs start without me getting a stoneskin up on everyone and I don't even get to adlo the tank before a pull. "Hi" and then run. No time for anyone to even start mentioning that they are new. At that point the process goes to "oh crap I can't get left behind!"

Edit: For me, I've always had better results by seeing how fast a few of the mobs are dying and if a new player bonus comes up, just explaining the fight. If they tell me to stfu, then I know they don't need it and stfu. As a scholar, nothing annoys me more than a tank who doesn't watch how pulls go. It is not a pleasant experience healing a speedrun just because there is a black mage but the things die slowly and cooldowns aren't used properly. Or things die slowly, and your party members have taken the time to try and give advice to the black mage WHO ACCEPTS THE ADVICE that they shouldn't Fire III spam and then Blizzard III spam. And the tank has run off to start pulling things by himself. I'm not going to let tanks die when they do this, but it starts to sour the mood for your healer if you do stuff like that.

[AdamFyi]

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Oh don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out that the OP does make some valid points about his end of the argument and that communication from both parties should always be taken into consideration.

Then again, the OP did ask them if they were new. He did kind of say that he wouldn't mind slowing down for the new players if they spoke up. Regardless, most prefer to get through trash as fast as possible, then when attempting the boss, they have someone explain the mechanics to them. Though, I have to agree with you about the stoneskin bit. It's pretty annoying when I can't even get buffs up. I don't mind as much since I can adjust accordingly. There is no use slowing down the run even more than not even trying.

Anyway, nobody should be afraid to speak up, and nobody should be put into that kind of situation where they might get slapped on the wrist for doing such. Luckily most players I've met are pretty friendly.

[AskaRay]

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I remember when I began, I was even terrified to use the DF by myself, let alone actually talk to people.. (since FFXIV was my first mmo in years, not to mention I don't really like talking to people). MOST of the time I thought the New Player Notification would be enough to actually let people know I was new at this (obviously I figured out the truth fast). I mean, I would always talk to others if they talked to me and asked if I was new, but I never really initiated conversations (I still don't, I don't like to).

Either way I now always try to be nice to new people, maybe they also have some anxiety about playing with strangers.. I mean, even if you asked them "are you new" and they didn't respond, I'm not immediately like "okay whatever screw you"... that's a toxic way to think and just not enjoyable in the end.