Bard Final Coil Dps?

[Sleigh]

reposting these from reddit but I'm gonna just put THIS here

http://puu.sh/gwr0X/01fb9ec9ac.png
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dat 590 tho

I'd just like to note it is incredibly bad to raid with this guy, can't get any good BLM milking ;_;

He's too strong. Makes me wanna reroll BRD.

[SlyRoyale]

reposting these from reddit but I'm gonna just put THIS here

http://puu.sh/gwr0X/01fb9ec9ac.png
http://puu.sh/gwr9b/27aea30c73.png
http://puu.sh/gwrga/52d3eb17a8.png

dat 590 tho

This is the dream I wish to live. Instead, I'll have my static BRD live it for me as I raid on my PLD.

[MrYaah]

I'd just like to note it is incredibly bad to raid with this guy, can't get any good BLM milking ;_;

He's too strong. Makes me wanna reroll BRD.

Do your best to sabotage his parses for me! Its not fair for the rest of us bards having assholes like him making us look like chumps.

[Sleigh]

Do your best to sabotage his parses for me! Its not fair for the rest of us bards having assholes like him making us look like chumps.

I try my best to steal his milk but he has my Foe's so I treat him nicely!

In truth I'm surprised he does as much as he does, I do well in T10 and T13 add phases (well, given the circumstances with this crappy push timing my group's DPS does, no RS + Convert for second adds GG), as does my SCH going HAM, so he really doesn't get more than the average BRD does (perhaps less?) but he makes it work somehow

[Ooshima]

reposting these from reddit but I'm gonna just put THIS here

http://puu.sh/gwr0X/01fb9ec9ac.png
http://puu.sh/gwr9b/27aea30c73.png
http://puu.sh/gwrga/52d3eb17a8.png

dat 590 tho

TBH I am very curious what that group did in T10 to push the bard to 590. I can't say for sure but it gives the feeling that the group was very catered to the BRD to push him to that limit. The numbers from the NIN/BLM/DRG are significantly lower that what you'd expect from a standard strat run; they usually can pull 600 upwards. The earlier post of the 566 BRD parse is probably more "reasonable" and results in a much higher raid DPS compared to this 590 DPS BRD group.

You have any idea what they did, since you appear to know the said players concerned from your reddit replies?

[OneWingedSora]

I'd just like to note it is incredibly bad to raid with this guy, can't get any good BLM milking ;_;

He's too strong. Makes me wanna reroll BRD.

578 is still incredibly good still to be honest given that runs time. Adds were probably melting as well which meant less flares and Two Raging strikes + Convert. I think you kinda balance it out though by not using caster limit break :3

http://www.twitch.tv/milo575/b/635381114

22:26.

This would have been like my highest run until that sad part at the end haha . I was at 582 with no nin in party, using caster limit break and 1 foes ;-;

[Sleigh]

TBH I am very curious what that group did in T10 to push the bard to 590. I can't say for sure but it gives the feeling that the group was very catered to the BRD to push him to that limit. The numbers from the NIN/BLM/DRG are significantly lower that what you'd expect from a standard strat run; they usually can pull 600 upwards. The earlier post of the 566 BRD parse is probably more "reasonable" and results in a much higher raid DPS compared to this 590 DPS BRD group.

You have any idea what they did, since you appear to know the said players concerned from your reddit replies?

Significantly lower? It is really hard to do above 600 on a T10 as BLM without the AoE strat, you'd need a very lucky run or your team to not burn the adds hard. Especially if your CDs don't line up like with the push timings I got. DRG can probably be higher, true. I'd need the fight to go on about 20s longer and have crappy team mates to do 600+ myself, or just lots and lots of crits/procs.

Our fights are in no way tailored specifically to BRD at all. If anything they're tailored to just whatever gives as much DPS as we can as a raid, even if we're not doing the AoE strat or pushing world records.

[Ooshima]

Significantly lower? It is really hard to do above 600 on a T10 as BLM without the AoE strat, you'd need a very lucky run or your team to not burn the adds hard. Especially if your CDs don't line up like with the push timings I got. DRG can probably be higher, true. I'd need the fight to go on about 20s longer and have crappy team mates to do 600+ myself, or just lots and lots of crits/procs.

Our fights are in no way tailored specifically to BRD at all. If anything they're tailored to just whatever gives as much DPS as we can as a raid, even if we're not doing the AoE strat or pushing world records.

Well yeah, okay maybe not so much about the BLM part, I was looking at the melees more because there are really a handful of parsed 5.5mins run with melees pulling 600+, so your melees are kind of on the lower end somehow.

Anyways I've re-read the reddit thread again and I've missed out the fact that your run doesn't have any caster LB on adds - that probably would allow longer DoT uptime for the BRD's multidot.

[Sleigh]

Well yeah, okay maybe not so much about the BLM part, I was looking at the melees more because there are really a handful of parsed 5.5mins run with melees pulling 600+, so your melees are kind of on the lower end somehow.

Anyways I've re-read the reddit thread again and I've missed out the fact that your run doesn't have any caster LB on adds - that probably would allow longer DoT uptime for the BRD's multidot.

Yep, as of this week we're switching to melee LBs. This week was just LB3 plus maybe LB1 later on. Next week it's gonna be melee LB2 ASAP + LB3 near the end because of how the adds give LB, and because the DPS loss you lose from the straight damage difference of caster LB on 2 targets vs melee on 1 isn't so cut and dry - burning the final two adds with caster LB makes you lose lots of multi-DoT uptime, so it evens out.

He definitely got a little more multi-DoT time than a group using caster LB3 but I wouldn't say it's the difference of 30-50 DPS. He's just really, really good at the core of BRD IMO, with basically BiS.

578 is still incredibly good still to be honest given that runs time. Adds were probably melting as well which meant less flares and Two Raging strikes + Convert. I think you kinda balance it out though by not using caster limit break :3

Well thank you. Yeah we've got our reasons for stopping caster LB3, still testing which we want but our fastest clear so far is by skipping it so w/e

If you think the T10 adds melting + not getting 3rd RS + Convert is bad, you should see my T13. Imagine the add phase where the Twintania clone is melted so quick, and the BRD/SCH are doing so much AoE/multi-DoTs, on top of literally not getting RS + Convert back up until the final add spawns AKA it gets saved for Bahamut. I only get 3 Flares that set of adds, largely by using a Mega-Ether. I basically just eat at the scraps of AoE I can get, unlike most groups where you can do a full set of RS Flares as BLM, if not multiple rotations.

It sucks. I could do a ridiculously higher amount with a crappy SCH and slightly slower push times, no doubt, but I gotta deal with it.

[Ooshima]

Yep, as of this week we're switching to melee LBs. This week was just LB3 plus maybe LB1 later on. Next week it's gonna be melee LB2 ASAP + LB3 near the end because of how the adds give LB, and because the DPS loss you lose from the straight damage difference of caster LB on 2 targets vs melee on 1 isn't so cut and dry - burning the final two adds with caster LB makes you lose lots of multi-DoT uptime, so it evens out.

He definitely got a little more multi-DoT time than a group using caster LB3 but I wouldn't say it's the difference of 30-50 DPS. He's just really, really good at the core of BRD IMO, with basically BiS.

Nah definitely not some 50DPS I am looking at. Yaah have done some projections for a BiS BRD with NIN+DRG combi before, but still he is doing a little (about 10ish) more than the projected peak so I was wondering what could have contributed to that. No doubt that he is damn good at his job though. Just that whenever I see great numbers I always like to think back to see what could have contributed to the various numbers etc. It's pretty fun thoughts, because I've never enjoyed such run times at all. I've mostly been to groups and pugs that runs an average of 8mins so what people are doing at 5.5mins run are always intriguing to me.

I wish I could have some hands on on a speed run to see what I could pull myself. The thought of no caster LB on 2nd set of adds excites me for a little, because what I've been always running is that the first pair was gunned down fast and when the next pair spawns, the caster LB3 would drop both remaining pair's HP by half and there isn't much for me to multi-dot at all. I'm been pulling around 49Xish for these runs (1 NIN that doesn't give me any goads lol), 2 Paeons + a short 3rd due to TP starved, assuming no shit and deaths happened that requires me to ballad.