Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[VenuzKh]

"This is a lie or you simple don't know what you are talking about."

Name me one mmorpg that isnt a grind. Everyting in mmorpgs is a grind. It just depends on how long.

[RobinRethiel]

Actually you speak for 1 person, yourself. Quit being an arrogant troll trying to tell everyone that something is a problem for the masses when you seem to be the only one who has a problem with it. Nobody here is trying to prevent anyone else from enjoying the game, get over yourself. Oh someone disagrees with you, they must not understand you or just be an elitist jerk. Great logic there.

You are an "elitist jerk" as yo call it, because you are arguing like one. That's not my fault, you behave like that, I'm not forcing you to do this. When you look at this forum, it's pretty much dead. There are not many threads and posts in comparison to the mass of people who play it. And that many people like you are here, who shower anyone who wants to make this game better for casual and normal gamers with hate, may, on the long term, become a problem for Square.

It's not a good thing, when people avoid an official forum, because they think it is toxic...

Name me one mmorpg that isnt a grind. Everyting in mmorpgs is a grind. It just depends on how long.

It's still not an inherent part of a MMORPG, no matter how often it occurs. Grinding is bad and easy game design. That's why many bad companies are using it.
Slavery has been a part of human societies over thousands of years. Still, slavery is no inherent part of a society. It's just very lucrative, so it occurred very oftern.

[Whiston]

I speak not for everyone, just for the mass of casual and normal gamers.

I find this very interesting that you've put yourself up on this pedestal.

You say you speak for the mass of gamers, yet here, in this thread, is a representation of the typical gamer.
I have seen many threads in this forum, with many of the people agreeing, disagreeing, having conflicting opinions and varying gamestyles.
I would say this forum is a very accurate representation of the mass population of FFXIV players.

And yet, here you stand alone, on your pedestal, with absolutely nobody agreeing with the words you continuously spout out.
Has it ever occurred to you that you in fact do NOT speak for the mass majority, as we are here, some fortunate enough to win the grand prize, some having never even seen it, some grinding MGP for their mounts, others not even stepping foot in the gold saucer yet, and unanimously, we are all saying - there is absolutely nothing wrong with the system.

[RobinRethiel]

You say you speak for the mass of gamers, yet here, in this thread, is a representation of the typical gamer.
I have seen many threads in this forum, with many of the people agreeing, disagreeing, having conflicting opinions and varying gamestyles.
I would say this forum is a very accurate representation of the mass population of FFXIV players..

Not in the slightest. Do you really think, especially casual gamers are caring for forums? Really?

So lets compare your mini-lottery to chocobo racing. Despite not winning the 10k, you still win SOMETHING. So technically your not losing either, your just not winning the full amount. I don't defend the grind, I deal with it because I want to be the best. There are other reasons to do things than fun. I'm also not forcing you to my way of fun, because you know what, if your not having fun, then you need to just leave, and the door is over there. No one forces you to play, but I'd assume you enjoy the rest of the game, and you've made a lot of friends, so why are you letting this thing bother you so much? Either way, you have cheesburgers in your ears, done trying to explain anything to you, and I suggest others just leave this thread alone, and let her rant in peace.

You can lose. And you can pretty much win nothing. That happens to many people.

And I will not go. No matter how much all of you are murmuring. None of you would lose anything. Still you cry havoc, as if someone would try to steal your cookies. Yes, I got many friends, I hear, what they say, what they like, dislike and I also care about others, who are not my friends, but people, people who are playing the same game, are paying the same money and deserve to have fun, too. To have more fun, not less, just because they have to work, can't play so much or want to play with their FRIENDS, instead of grinding a lifeless NPC for weeks.

I know you are wrong, everyone can see this, because you are not even defending your own point, you are only attacking that of others, out of simple resentment. Others should not have fun, too. It's like those little apes, who don't like their fruits anymore, if others get them, too.

If you want to feel special, do something else than playing a game. Because it is nothing special. Especially not grinding. If you want to have something unique, draw a picture or carve a piece of soap. Don't rant against others in a CO-OP game.

Just be honest: You would hate the idea, that some more people got a Fenrir, Turtle or a Gambler outfit. That's the only reason for your hate. Because yours would not be so special anymore. And that's just **** sad.

[VenuzKh]

"It's still not an inherent part of a MMORPG, no matter how often it occurs. Grinding is bad and easy game design. That's why many bad companies are using it.
Slavery has been a part of human societies over thousands of years. Still, slavery is no inherent part of a society. It's just very lucrative, so it occurred very oftern."

Lol. After reading your other replys I dont even know why I entered this discussion.

[CYoung187]

Not in the slightest. Do you really think, especially casual gamers are caring for forums? Really?

Good thing they have you here to be their one true voice. Keep fighting the man brother, you are the modern day MLK.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

No. Why? Why do people have to lose? Look at chocobo racing. Sure, you get a bit more XP when you win, but you get XP for every place. So there is no losing. Sure fun is subjective. One of those subjective ways of having fun is brainless grinding. Very, very few people like something like that, still, that is pretty much all what you few guys here are defending. Your personal way of having fun. What I defend is a wider area of fun, so people can CHOSE. And you hate this. Only YOUR fun is allowed. That's sick.

So lets compare your mini-lottery to chocobo racing. Despite not winning the 10k, you still win SOMETHING. So technically your not losing either, your just not winning the full amount. I don't defend the grind, I deal with it because I want to be the best. There are other reasons to do things than fun. I'm also not forcing you to my way of fun, because you know what, if your not having fun, then you need to just leave, and the door is over there. No one forces you to play, but I'd assume you enjoy the rest of the game, and you've made a lot of friends, so why are you letting this thing bother you so much? Either way, you have cheesburgers in your ears, done trying to explain anything to you, and I suggest others just leave this thread alone, and let her rant in peace.

[Welsper59]

Just be honest: You would hate the idea, that some more people got a Fenrir, Turtle or a Gambler outfit. That's the only reason for your hate. Because yours would not be so special anymore. And that's just **** sad.

You do realize why people play MMORPGs right? About why they choose to play this medium or any other multiplayer game and stick with it. A big reason is to stand out in some way. I mean, ask yourself: why do "I" want those vanity goods? Why is vanity so important to people that play? Why do people have a problem just looking the same as anyone else? Why do "I" care about getting these things as soon as possible?

Seriously, ask yourself those questions. You might surprise yourself, especially if you end up having to rethink your answer because it turned out to be vain LOL.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

You can lose. And you can pretty much win nothing. That happens to many people.

You just said you win "Pretty much nothing". You still lose chocobo races by not coming in first place. Do you even know what your saying anymore? btw gonna leave this hear, you said this in another post so you can see.

Look at chocobo racing. Sure, you get a bit more XP when you win, but you get XP for every place.

And I will not go. No matter how much all of you are murmuring. None of you would lose anything. Still you cry havoc, as if someone would try to steal your cookies.

Thats cool, I'm glad you won't go. We won't lose anything but why change something that isn't broke because its not fair to -YOU-

Yes, I got many friends, I hear, what they say, what they like, dislike and I also care about others, who are not my friends, but people, people who are playing the same game, are paying the same money and deserve to have fun, too.

I agree with you, but why do you deserve to have everything your way? I said this once before, but if your not having fun, then it obviously isn't for you. Why should you be entitled to have it changed? I pay money my subscription too.

To have more fun, not less, just because they have to work, can't play so much or want to play with their FRIENDS, instead of grinding a lifeless NPC for weeks.

No one is forcing people to grind out MGP for anything. If they want the vanity items, then they have to work, just like everybody else, Or get lucky. Which is why you started this thread in the first place, a hate on RNG. I get it RNG sucks, but you have to deal with it. I've played games with worse RNG, but you know what, you find other fun things to do. MGP might be a grind but I LOVE playing TT, its -FUN- so is Chocobo Racing, its -FUN-

I know you are wrong, everyone can see this, because you are not even defending your own point, you are only attacking that of others, out of simple resentment. Others should not have fun, too. It's like those little apes, who don't like their fruits anymore, if others get them, too.

Pretty sure everyone is pointing and laughing at you my dear, not me. You're the one throwing the hissy fit, and not listening. I feel like I'm watching a small child who wants something, and I told you no, so you bop your head on the wall till you get it.

If you want to feel special, do something else than playing a game. Because it is nothing special. Especially not grinding. If you want to have something unique, draw a picture or carve a piece of soap. Don't rant against others in a CO-OP game.

Who said I wanted to feel special? What because I enjoy playing my class/job to its fullest? Beating the hardest content? Doesn't make me special, alot of people enjoy that stuff.

Just be honest: You would hate the idea, that some more people got a Fenrir, Turtle or a Gambler outfit. That's the only reason for your hate. Because yours would not be so special anymore. And that's just **** sad.

Somebody on Balmung already got the Fenrir mount, kudos to them for saving up for 2 weeks for it, and not making a huge thread on the forums about how lottery tickets aren't fair.

[Snugglebutt]

Games are games. Since RTS are able to make people play them for years, MMOs can do this, too. Only bad MMOs need grind, because they lack content and can't hold players without a carrot. Do you think, FF14 is a bad MMO? Do you think, Square needs this carrot? That they are not good enough? I don't. I think they can do better. I'm sure of this.

Need I remind you that your thread is mini-lottery maybe a bit more 'fair' not mini-lottery maybe a bit more 'fun', people went to great lengths to explain to you that it is fair for a lottery style mini game but you just ignored, dismissed or refused to take what they said on board. Fun on the other hand is subjective, your personal preference for what makes something fun is not always the same as another persons, this game caters to more than just yourself. Some people find fun in working hard to achieve something aka chasing the carrot on the stick, some find fun in gambling like taking a chance or trying your luck which may or may not pay off, some find fun in high risk and some low risk ventures/activities (mini lottery in this game is quick, low risk easy profit on pretty much every ticket).

If there was no 'carrot' you would not even be doing the mini cactpot if your honest about it because you clearly do not consider it fun even with the level of carrot reward currently attached so without a carrot you would find it even less fun. MGP is as much a carrot as the vanity items bought with it. A carrot on a stick is nothing more than gaining something you want or need by requiring you to put in effort to obtain it. Grind is itself not a carrot, it is the method for obtaining the carrot and in the mini cactpot the carrot is the MGP. Would you prefer it if they removed the carrot? If so would you still play the scratch cards when there is no reward for it or are you simply confusing 'carrot' with grind, wanting no grind but keeping the carrot? The reality is you cannot remove the grind for it unless they grant you 100% chance of getting exactly what you want or need on your first try in everything you do.

As I said grind is not the reward, it is not the carrot. The carrot is both the MGP as well as the vanity items bought with MGP yet 'carrot' is what you said above in your own words that they do not need. Even if they removed the MGP reward for taking part in things and the grinding of that reward to buy other things...unless you want 100% success rate on everything in GS then your still 'grinding' content and the carrot still exists if there is something your trying to obtain from doing that content. The only way to have no grind is to only require doing something 'once' to get everything you want from it with no chance of failure. Also do not mistake 'not feeling like a grind' with the fact it is a grind even if you do not feel like it is...anything you repeat multiple times in an attempt to gain something you want or need is a grind regardless of whether it feels like one to you.

Pretty much every RTS game I can think of uses grinds whether your grinding levels or grinding resources and more, so I guess every single RTS is a bad game by your logic of grind equals bad game. In fact I reckon you would be hard pressed to name a single RTS game or MMO that does not have any grind. They all use the carrot on a stick as well whether it is higher scores, improved ranks, better items, stronger units, reaching/unlocking more maps or even trying to reach the next cutscene/cinematic etc to see the next part of the story plus many other such things...if you was a good game designer you would know this. In my opinion for someone who claims to be a game designer you seem to have a lack of knowledge about game mechanics, how and where they have been implemented plus their purpose in the grand scheme of things.

I will also add one more thing and that is since you proclaim to be a game developer and are specifically trying to use that position against SE's design choices, how about you list some of the games you have worked on especially ones that can be verified you personally played a part in creating so we can have some idea about the quality of your own work and of special note would be any MMO's you developed since you seem so happy to tell SE how to make theirs from a developers stand point...you being the one who tried to use your un-verified credibility as a game designer to berate them and others on their game design choices after all rather than just stating your opinion as a customer or player.