Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[Tayolynn]

I tend to use the power of deduction and probability. Open numbers in strategic points so there are more open numbers to map out your possibilities and know what numbers your missing. Although I like to go all out when I see a perfect numbers line for a possible 1,2,3 line, only to find out that it's a 1/2/some-other-number and I get sad.

Sometimes if I do it right, I get the highest points possible on my card, which ranges from 170-360 MGP, which is fine.

[CYoung187]

From now on the Mini Cactpot will automatically exchange 100 MGP to 1000 MGP upon each use so people's feelings don't get hurt.

"OMG SE, now I have to log on every day just to keep up with everyone else!?!? I hate this game I quit"

Yeah, I'm sure players are leaving because of the mini-cactpot.

[Niwashi]

Your egoistic hate is ridiculous. Get over this egoism and start to think about other players. It's a multiplayer game, coop, not PvP, so you REALLY should think that way and not only "me, me, me".

Yet you're the only one expressing that kind of hate or selfishness. You seem to think that if you personally don't always win, not just a great return, but the very highest possible return anyone can ever get, then the whole game has been devastated. That's ridiculous.

Every single Mini-Cactpot ticket has multiple chances to win, depending on which row you pick. What's more, multiplying your chances to win by the amounts you can win and your chances to lose by the amount you would lose, these tickets are a fantastic bargain, worth far more than their cost.

A lottery of that kind should not be part of a game like FF14 anyway, actually any kind of lottery should not exist at all

If you don't like the lotteries, then don't play them. It's one of several optional features of a totally optional area that's completely unrelated to the main game. It doesn't even have any rewards beyond a few cosmetics. The only reason anyone is there playing Gold Saucer games or trying to earn MGP is if they enjoy it. You clearly don't, so why would you even care who wins some points you don't want? Is it really, as it seems, just because SE had the effrontery to add something to the game that doesn't pertain to you specifically? There are plenty of other people who like games of chance.

[RobinRethiel]

Yet you're the only one expressing that kind of hate or selfishness. You seem to think that if you personally don't always win, not just a great return, but the very highest possible return anyone can ever get, then the whole game has been devastated. That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the lotteries, then don't play them. It's one of several optional features of a totally optional area that's completely unrelated to the main game. It doesn't even have any rewards beyond a few cosmetics. The only reason anyone is there playing Gold Saucer games or trying to earn MGP is if they enjoy it. You clearly don't, so why would you even care who wins some points you don't want? Is it really, as it seems, just because SE had the effrontery to add something to the game that doesn't pertain to you specifically? There are plenty of other people who like games of chance.

If you don't read a thread, don't answer to it, okay? Especially not in such a hateful way. You obviously don't want to discuss it, so why are you here? To flame me? Or just out of egoism, because, as all those who argue like you say: It's about, that THEY got special stuff others won't get. PURE egoism. You want Gold Saucer to be the "elitits grinder" place.

What about doing Coil? T13? Or not good enough for this? Or do the fishing achievement. There you got your terrible RNG grind. This game already served you very well. Gold Sauce was presented as a place for all players. But it's not. It's RNG again, it's grind again. And many, many people hate it. They just don't post here, because they lost their "faith" in Square and don't want to get flamed by people like you. They just leave. First the Gold Saucer and - from their speaking - the game, when Square continues this. Because they can spend those monthly fees also on a real lottery ticket, if they want something like that. I try my best to keep them, I'm telling them, that Square may change this, that they wrote here and there, that they want to reduce the RNG and grind. And then another thing goes online, this time Gold Saucer and again: RNG and grind.

That's the reality. Not your private universe, where everything is fine - for you.

Yeah, I'm sure players are leaving because of the mini-cactpot.

Not because of mini-cactpot. because it is the only real source for MGP beside terrible grinding. The great mass beyond those few with sheer luck hate both, because it's - and there is no discussion about it - dumb. Grind is per definition repetitive and dumb and RNG does not need anything else than luck - so it's dumb.

And in actual fact, this topic was started by you, about "you, you, you". You were pretty upset that some people won the 10k reward a few times...

I were not and I am not. I'm actually making money as a game designer and when I see bad mechanics, which hurt a player base, I see a problem. Sure, I could say, like you: Who cares? If Squares ruining or hurting their game, that is not my problem. Let them lose players to other games, that will teach them. Maybe.

Or I care about this game, care about the players, care about the developers, about others, something you are apparently not able to. Those few Antis here - and you are few, even when you reach a dozen, you are far below 0,01% of the player base, don't bring any constructive points. It's just anti. No, everything is fine, because I, I, I got no problem with it.

But beside personal emotions, sheer math is telling, that this is not true.

You care only about yourself, not this thread, not other players, not the game or Square, who developed it. You would lose NOTHING if Square would make it less of RNG and a grind. And still the aggression in this thread about simply more fun for all players is catastrophic. As if someone would threaten you to steal your cookies...

@ Vidu
Read the thread. The problem is not the lottery, the problem is, that there is nothing to compensate it but a terrible grind. And no, gaming is not even near the disastrous effect of lottery in RL, there are WORLDS between.

Making this a general "What is bad and unfair in this game"-thread is not excatly a clever move. People will insist to tell you why a lottery which includes luck is fine - if you want to discuss the rest you may go and open up another thread to rant about all that RNG?

Ask the people who came with the "argument", that MMO MUST have grind and RNG. That was my answer to this.

As said: Read, then write.

Please - try not to see it, try to have fun with the Gold Saucer as a funpark and not as an elitist shop...

That's why I opened this thread. At the moment it is no fun park. People play it for a while, because it is new. Then they see the horrible grind and RNG mechanic and yes, of course they will probably continue do to the daily cactpot and weekly lottery, but you don't need the Gold Saucer for this, this you could do by mogry mail...

And for you again: This is not about me, it's about the system in a whole and how many players, who don't dare to write here because of all the aggression and such, got problems with it and are annoyed. People who want to play a game, not grind like working in a factory.

[Vidu]

A lottery of that kind should not be part of a game like FF14 anyway, actually any kind of lottery should not exist at all, not in a game, not in RL, if you would inform yourself about the backgrounds, you would know this. They are ruining lifes every single day.

If it is all about luck, then they should just use it everywhere. Why something like coil drops or poetry marks? Just RNG this, too. Everything for free, all you need is luck.

RNG is ruining this game. It's the one thing almost every player I ask, who leaves or plans to leave FF14 mentions, that the RNG is ruining it for them. And yes, they are getting over it. By leaving this game behind and playing something else.

I don't think, that's the goal of Square, to lose players. But, well, maybe I'm wrong.

...I kinda know its stupid to responsed to that, but what the hell

First: Sure, lotterys are ruining lifes. So does a lot of things. Videogames for example, please remove them because there are people who cant handle them. If you cant handle lotterys, please dont strip away my sort of fun, yeah? Also: with the limitation of one ticket per day, bought with a currency that is only used in the gold saucer I can hardly see who the cacpots are ruining someones life in Eorzea... Also: Now you're mentioning how bad and somehow dangerous lotterys are to do what? Asked for them to be removed completly? Wasnt it about "Give me the first price everyday!" when you started this thread?

Second: While I agree that they shouldnt use luck everywhere... this is a damn lottery - is it meant to be about luck, because thats the point of it. Ask for them to remove luck everywhere else in the game except in a lottery...

Third: I understand people who are complaining about RNG in coils, WoD, dungeons... I cant understand you though - you are complaining about a tiny, little piece of the game that was meant to be pure fun. That isnt about progression. That takes you like 5 minutes everyday (+100 MGP, which you will most likely get back - which is enough for me at last. I'm having fun solwing this little puzzle, picking a hopefully good line and checking if it was the best - had even a good laugh yesterday because nearly all my lines added up to 16 - which equals 72 MGP, but seeing that really made me giggle, maybe I'm weird?).

If this tiny little bit of a game that you enjoy otherwise is causing you so much anger and if you totally fail to see the point in it (lottery=luck) - maybe just leave it?

I'm pretty sure people might quite the game (or at least threat they will) because of bad RNG luck... but not because of bad luck in the mini-cacpot... so raising this point in a topic like this doesnt help to take you any serious...

[Vidu]

What about doing Coil? T13? Or not good enough for this? Or do the fishing achievement. There you got your terrible RNG grind. This game already served you very well. Gold Sauce was presented as a place for all players. But it's not. It's RNG again, it's grind again. And many, many people hate it. They just don't post here, because they lost their "faith" in Square and don't want to get flamed by people like you. They just leave. First the Gold Saucer and - from their speaking - the game, when Square continues this. Because they can spend those monthly fees also on a real lottery ticket, if they want something like that.

Sorry for the doppel-post but after seeing this... what are you trying to do here? Turning a thread where people tried to explain to you why luck in a lottery is totally fine into some sort of your own general rant about the game? I'm pretty sure there are points in which this game can improve (even though I'm more or less fine with it as it is for the moment) - but you're going totally offtopic here. You wanted to discuss the fairness of luck in a lottery and people told you that theres nothing to discuss because lotterys are meant to be about luck and even though everyone of us lost it more often than getting the first prize we're okay with it because we know that this is how a lottery works - it would take the fun out of it (at least for me) if I'd just go to the gold saucer everyday to get my 10k for 100...
Making this a general "What is bad and unfair in this game"-thread is not excatly a clever move. People will insist to tell you why a lottery which includes luck is fine - if you want to discuss the rest you may go and open up another thread to rant about all that RNG?

Also: While I can understand that RNG bothers people a lot when it comes to real progression (coil loot, WoD loot, Zodiakgrind) I dont really see the problem with the gold saucer - its all about vanity. You dont have to make it a grind. You can play around a bit, just enjoy it. Cant you play a game just for fun and not only for the reward? Are you only aiming for the carrot? Please - try not to see it, try to have fun with the Gold Saucer as a funpark and not as an elitist shop...

[Snugglebutt]

Out of all the mini games and activities in the GS the mini lotto aka scratch cards is probably the best balanced thing there for reward vs effort and low risk of ending up with less than cost to buy. Yes the scratch cards have some luck applicable in as far as range of cards might get and possible number locations varying as they should but it is very hard to not make a profit on them if have basic understanding of mathematics, takes a few seconds to complete too. The limit of once a day is related to the fact you can from time to time win a reasonably large sum of MGP on it which is fine. Out of all the things to whine about from GS activities, this is the least whine worthy to me. It is pretty easy to almost always make a profit on them if take your time and work out the probabilities per line in comparison to row total prize listings.

[NJA]

Just posting to say that the Mini Cacpot is currently my favourite thing in the game! A little bit of skill, a little bit of luck and the chance for a real reward every day. Captures the spirit of the Gold Saucer perfectly in my opinion.

[Mordermi]

I try my best to keep them, I'm telling them, that Square may change this, that they wrote here and there, that they want to reduce the RNG and grind. And then another thing goes online, this time Gold Saucer and again: RNG and grind.

A few things here... You said in an earlier post that you are a game designer. So could you tell me how they could reduce RNG and grind? MMOs are RNG and grind. Heck, single-player RPGs are RNG and grind. That's just how it is. Reducing RNG and grind in a MMO makes the game less time consuming, which makes it so that everyone runs out of things to do, and leaves before the next patch. Reducing RNG and grind in a single-player RPG would be reducing the difficulty level.

In my opinion, you can't reduce RNG and grind. You can really only reduce RNG, but the grind will always be there. This is a pretty basic fact about MMOs and RPGs. You can't make a MMORPG or RPG without it relying heavily on a grind.

As for the Gold Saucer, it has to have RNG and grind. It has to have RNG due to the fact that there is a lottery. It has to have a grind because this is a MMO. If there is no RNG or grind, that is called a hand-out. If your concern is the that you are limited to only a couple of options for grinding, then please just wait until they expand the Gold Saucer. It was just released, and they plan on adding a lot to it in the future.

EDIT: I'd like to add, since I know it will be brought up. Yes, you feel that the Gold Saucer is a "Fun Park", and so maybe it shouldn't be part of the MMO grind. Here's the thing: It was designed after the Gold Saucer from FFVII, which you know, and the FFVII Gold Saucer was a grind, mixed with some RNG. If you really think about it, this Gold Saucer is a lot like the original. The original was designed with grind and RNG, so this one was as well.

[Alistaire]

If you don't read a thread, don't answer to it, okay?

pretty much everyone here is disagreeing with you. Take the hint, and stop accusing others of what you're very obviously guilty of.