Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[Zaft]

Some people here are a bit misinformed. First, there is no such thing as a "law of averages." I'm just going to quote Wikipedia here, because it says it best:

As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects wishful thinking or a poor understanding of statistics rather than any mathematical principle. While there is a real theorem that a random variable will reflect its underlying probability over a very large sample, the law of averages typically assumes that unnatural short-term "balance" must occur.

What you're trying to talk about is the law of large numbers (LLN), which states that the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials will be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed.

Now, as for the OP, what are you even trying to propose here? You've complained quite a lot these past few pages, but really offered no alternative solution. What you SEEM to be advocating is a pseudo-random system in which the game will increase the odds of you obtaining a mini-Cactpot with a possible 1-2-3 on the board each time you do not receive one.

[RobinRethiel]

Some people here are a bit misinformed. First, there is no such thing as a "law of averages." I'm just going to quote Wikipedia here, because it says it best:



What you're trying to talk about is the law of large numbers (LLN), which states that the average of the results obtained from a large number of trials will be close to the expected value, and will tend to become closer as more trials are performed.

Now, as for the OP, what are you even trying to propose here? You've complained quite a lot these past few pages, but really offered no alternative solution. What you SEEM to be advocating is a pseudo-random system in which the game will increase the odds of you obtaining a mini-Cactpot with a possible 1-2-3 on the board each time you do not receive one.

Obviously you did not read the thread, because I made suggestions.

It would be ONE mentioned solution, not only for this, also for the other RNG, if there is a check inside the code, which buffs your chances with every fail.

An other mentioned solution is, that they just give better ways to simply EARN those MGPs, beside luck.

FF14 is a game. It's about playing. And Gold Saucer should be more about fun than anything else.

It's enough to look at the original Gold Saucer from FF7. There was no lottery. You got Arena and Chocobo Raising as main source of the GP. And THAT was the fun part of it. Not a lottery.

Actually I don't get why they implemented a lottery anyway - especially since Japan got harsh problems with gamling addiction and criminal organisations abusing this. But beside this, it's odd, that the three most MGP rewarding activities (Lottery 1, Lottery 2 and the Typhoon Gate) are all 100% luck based, while the only other way to earn some more MGP is grinding NPCs in TT.

I don't get it the hate against the idea, that this could be improved a bit, for more fun in this fun park. Where does this come from?

[Duuude007]

if there is a check inside the code, which buffs your chances with every fail.

Let me guess, you had the same request for atma and zodiac dungeon drops.

Some sort of advantage for frequency grinding.

This isn't a solution, because you never really fail. Even your worst hands gain back most of what you spent, while most offer a profit, sometimes a significant profit.

Where would the line be? Any situation where you earn more than you spent? Pointless suggestion.

The lottery is merely a fast, largely effortless way to supplement your MGP. As are GATEs. People will always win the jackpot once in awhile with random frequency, and with repeated visits, any advantage one player holds over another will be rendered moot. Such is the nature of RNG.

Do not expect there to be any changes to these systems... ever; It is fruitless to fix something which is not broken.

If you want reliable MGP, grind TT or Choco, like the rest of us are.

[RobinRethiel]

And again just hate, no arguments. Could you please stop repeating the same thing over and over and over again? Doesn't you have to be ingame and do the 1829th TT game against the imperial soldier?

And listen: you can still do this, if Square would implement some more ways to gain MGP. No one tries to take your grind away from you.

By the way: I were lucky with my Atmas and Zodiac drops, others not, and in comparison to you (obviously), I also care about other people, not only myself.

I see guild mates, friend and other people leave, because of this design, which could be changed sooo easily, without hurting anyone, just helping many.

[Duuude007]

"Hate" you say, because I provided logic of why your suggestion wouldn't work. Mmkay.

And who is to say they won't add more ways? Based on my suggestion, they are already considering at least one additional option.

So before you start spouting how any dissent to your own idea is "hating" on you, consider that perhaps there is a better path forward than your own.

[SarkdenTepes]

All wrong, you understood nothing. Try again.


That is not even near what I'm asking for.


No, not of the lottery, of Gold Saucer in total. But of course I could just let this game lose players because of it, instead of trying to help them change such a vital point.

Really people: if you post here, try to understand the thread first, before you post something like that. If you don't care about it, why are you even here, in this thread? Just to mock/insult? Sorry, I don't get it.

Why is your post titled that the mini-cactpot is unfair, then complain that nobody understands you when you say it's not giving you free MGP from the Gold Saucer and you want stuff "NOW NOW NOW" as I hear so many small children yelling at their estranged parents?

You don't get other people trying to understand what your crying is about from the OP, with the title being "Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?". Maybe if you weren't so snarky with your replies when people are trying to understand what you really want, people would be less jerks. All I see is you getting all bent out of shape when anyone replies saying "You don't understand me" like you are Tumblr reincarnate.


Also, are you making racist quips in your replies? Shame on you.

[Altena]

You buy a $2 scratch card.
Some other guy buys the same $2 scratch card after you.
You don't win anything.
He wins $10,000.

He is lucky, you are not.
Too bad, too sad.

Mini cactpot is basically a scratch card.

Casinos aren't generally a place that gives away free money. In fact the odds are always against you. Feel "lucky" that it is somewhat unusual to actually lose points/tokens in any of the games in the MGS.

Minigames? They cost 1 MGP and it's pretty much impossible to actually get nothing back.
Triad? Even if you lose, you get half of your "bet" back, on top of that - a draw often gives you a credit, and a win is over 100% return.
Cactpot? Anyone that does some basic math / uses their own logic - can at least get their money back (with a profit of some sort).

Just count your lucky stars if you win big and consider it good luck. Someone wins twice or thrice? Then they have very good luck.

Casinos aren't "fair".

[Alistaire]

And again just hate, no arguments. Could you please stop repeating the same thing over and over and over again?

How many different people do you need to come in here and post pointing out you're not making any concrete suggestions and that you're really failing to grasp the concept behind Gold Saucer in general before you realize your post I'm quoting fits more as a rebuttal against you than something coming from you?

[CYoung187]

When I see threads like this, its like seeing the little kid in the toy store stomping his feet because he can't have the same toy little Jimmy has next door. Don't worry I'm sure they'll nerf it just to shut the "unlucky" up, like they have done in the past.

This 100%. This thread is rediculous and just makes me 100% understand why devs ignore the forums for the most part. Complaining about luck, on a lottery ticket, in a casino. Come on.

Incoming "Stop insulting" "You aren't contributing to my rediculous conversation" blah blah

[Irie]

And again just hate, no arguments.

And I have yet to see one single argument coming from you.

The only reason you made this thread is because you're not among the ppl who got their 4x10k wins in a row. Otherwise you'd think that the pot is perfectly fine the way it is.