Progression locks are bad

[Vidu]

Well yeah - it is. But specially with coil there is actually a lore-reason why it is locked out - you might not care about lore&story and only about killing stuff and getting your loot. But I do - and I assume a lot of other people do aswell. Clearing all of that stuff today is a lot easier than it was back in the days it was "fresh". My point stands: You're not skipping chapters of a book or parts of a film. Coil is telling you a story and there will be references back to earlier turns... oh wait... you havent seen that? I wouldnt even call that lock out - its progression... in story and in mechanics aswell.

Also for a fresh-level50 or someone who just came back into the game those lock outs might be some sort of guidance - I've seen people being overwhelmed by all those dungeons they've got access to in the blink of an eye - having something they can kinda look forward to and work their way up isnt a bad thing at all...

[kumankitty]

While I partially agree about content gated behind other content being a pain, I can see where some of it comes from. As stated before, some of the mechanics in SCoB and FCoB are harder versions of FCoB mechanics. Therefore, it does make sense that players should encounter it on earlier before pushing it to harder content.

That being said, I don't understand why some of the Extreme Primals are locked out by other Extreme Primals. I don't see how knowing Moggle Mog EX and Levi Ex will prepare you for Ramuh EX and Shiva Ex.

[Malevicton]

T5 is actually pretty do-able in DF, and I see the "100 free sold" PF groups fill up pretty quick on my server. I agree on EX primals though. They already removed the lock from the first 3, not sure why they're keepin it around for mog and levi.

[FranSeara]

Op,I'm going to have to side with you. The gating SUCKs and yes, many players dont wanna do Old coils or primals anymore. You can post a PF for hours on my server and get maybe 6 players to join up for T5. Having locks on old Coils mostly only helps run sellers on my server. You can learn a lot on T6 and T7, why mess around waiting forever to do T5. I made a PF group for T5 and couldnt PAY players to join up. I did this for my some new FC members (we needed DPS!!!) Now for primals , they should be only gated by patch. Having to do levi, king moogle etc..just to fight Shiva ex is abit much.

ps:T5 isnt doable in DF,never has been (IMO)

"I've NEVER CLEAR T5 IN DF"

[Malevicton]

ps:T5 isnt doable in DF,never has been (IMO)

So, the df groups with you in them are impossible and the ones with me in them are clearing? Hmm.

[ShaneDawn]

As mentioned by others, coils are basically a story of their own. Besides, everything par T5 and T9 can be jumped over as is.

The reason why those two instances can't be skipped is to actually make sure you're ready for the content after it. They recycle some of the earlier mechanics into the new coils (i.e. Divebombs) with a twist making them harder. Besides, if it would be possible to skip past all the previous encounters, most people would just jump straight to FCoB for da lootz even if they couldn't quite handle it. Cos, what's the point of clearing old content?

[Ashkendor]

Eh, I jump in T5 and T9 clear parties a lot, whether it be in PF or LS/FC groups.

Hell, just tonight I tanked a T9 clear. *shrugs*

[HyperiusUltima]

See, even on my server there are sellers wanting to sell Coil Tiers. Nobody is wanting to do it anymore, which is kinda bad since BARELY anyone would even go back to it. T5? It's hard being on my server. People treating others like douchebags and even putting all the blame on somebody is not tolerable for me. It makes the whole group fail, and it winds up with people just leaving after 15 minutes. (*cough*Japan*cough*)

I'm even somewhat pissed when it comes to sellers, considering the fact it takes away the learning experience from Coil. I can understand how Coil can be spammable(for some of its loots in T9 and T13, yes). But selling everything including any other Game Content is just wrong IMO.

[Tiva]

I agree 100% with the OP. I hope that if they release raid content in HW it will be solo raid releases. Not raids attached to other raids. This would force more bosses to be released (great!) and make it more accessible to returning players.

I don't even really agree with the points made about coil. Sure, all the final fights have divebombs.. but the way you deal with them is so different they might as well be different mechanics. And I don't even agree that t13 divebombs are harder than t9 divebombs. T13 divebombs are very simple and theres nothing else going on in that time to worry about. Most of the final coil content is way easier then t9 (I even think t13 is easier than t9 for everything except maybe healers). So why is it fair that ppl are stuck on t9 still when they could probably do t10 very easily? If people want to skip story let them! They can watch the cutscenes on youtube. Its their life. Same thing with primals. Shiva ex is so easy! Why do people have to fight Ramuh (a pug killer imo) to fight shiva? I don't think they should have to.

I personally don't have an issue with this. But I have friends that do. So many ppl still stuck on t9 or even t5 still. Coil was cool. But now I think it would be great if they made the raids not have "turns". Just one tier, a raid, next tier, new raid not related to the other raid with a new story. However, since this is SE and they love their epic long stories that never end, we're probably in for much of the same.

Its not very nice to sit here shaming the op saying things like ("well my pugs can kill t5, seems like the problem is you" or "t5 isnt hard", I'm paraphrasing obviously). He's pointing out a real issue with the game and being dumped on like HE'S the problem. It's easy to sit on a high horse and tell more casual players "GET GUD". It's harder to see things from their point of view and show compassion. What this leads to is players feeling very frustrated and leaving the game. Hopefully Alexander having two difficulty levels will help some of this.

[Garlyle]

And social skills have absolutely nothing to do with the content being un-puggable.

I'm going to make something clear: I'm currently sitting at the final phase of Turn 11. I have never had a static. Every first clear of Turn 5 onwards wasn't even with members of my FC - it was with general PF learning/clear groups. And also months behind, so I went through the same issue you did. Get practice, make connections, and keep trying. You're not the only one out there who needs Turn (x) cleared. And while it sucks to say, finding whatever method you're going to need to get your clear - joining an FC or LS a static or just getting the courage to start regularly PFing - is a social aspect you're going to need to attack the later content as well.

And before someone goes "Well you've got your clear what business is it to you that there's no parties like this" I'm regularly jumping into Turn 5/9 learning and clear parties to help people out.

As a moment of reprise, OP, they already said a while ago that Coil won't be needed to progress into Alexander. But I'd still expect a progression lock.