It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Bishop81]

People say this new system would put all that RMT money in the hands of Square to "make the game better", yet aren't same few people are also against a cash shop that....would also give Square more money to make more content for the game?

Cash shop, I can do without, shutting it down doesn't have any effect - except for SE bottom line.

PLEX? Without = RMT run wild and make money. With = RMT make a lot less money = me happy.

It's a necessary evil in a way. I really wish we didn't have to resort to things like PLEX but it seems better than the status quote.

If you have other idea with regards to combating RMT, feel free to speak out. If there is a better way, I'm all for it.

This has been my point all along.

I'm telling you how and why it will work. Not presenting with you with an example of it working.

Perhaps discussions of this sort is beyond your mental capabilities.

Well you DID quote this..



So it seems pretty obvious you were trying to offer non anecdotal evidence since he was specifically asking for some evidence that wasn't anecdotal. Then you feel free to asnwer with what you then defend as an "arguement"? Why even respond if you aren't going to give him the info he was asking for? Are you surprised he pointed out it was still anecdotal? It's like you didn't even read what he said at all, and specifically that you don't seem to understand what Anecdotal Evidence means.



This was literally the point he was making. GG. Too many people in this thread arguing opinions. Not enough evidence. I don't care about your opinion. I care about where this has worked before, how well, and why you think it would work better or as well here. I could literally care less about your opinion. Facts are all I want to work in. Actual tangible examples of real life data. However, that seems difficult for people in this thread to produce because as far as I can tell it doesn't exist.

See above.

[Tiggy]

See above.

You've once again supplied nothing but anecdotal evidence and personal opinion You spouting your opinions are not fact or evidence.

[Magis]

Cash shop, I can do without, shutting it down doesn't have any effect - except for SE bottom line.

PLEX? Without = RMT run wild and make money. With = RMT make a lot less money = me happy.

It's a necessary evil in a way. I really wish we didn't have to resort to things like PLEX but it seems better than the status quote.

If you have other idea with regards to combating RMT, feel free to speak out. If there is a better way, I'm all for it.

Except you have no proof of that. EVE still had ISK spammers with PLEX so it didn't do jack shit. Now, they began implementing filters and easier ways to report them which SHOCK is a better way to fight RMT. Reporting a bot was an easy right click and selecting "Report ISK Seller". If enough people did it, the person was muted and flagged for review.

I'm telling you how and why it will work. Not presenting with you with an example of it working.

Perhaps discussion of this sort is beyond your mental capabilities.

AHAHAHAHAHA, sorry let us bask in your intelligence.



People ask for tangible evidence, poster says they are stupid... lol wut.

[Bishop81]

Except you have no proof of that. EVE still had ISK spammers with PLEX so it didn't do jack shit. Now, they began implementing filters and easier ways to report them which SHOCK is a better way to fight RMT.

I never claimed it a be all and all solution. But it's reasonable to conclude that it will hurt RMT spammers, which is good.

Filters are of course still need. A Bayes spam filter will go a long way.

AHAHAHAHAHA, sorry let us bask in your intelligence.

Oh please, if he wants to play "games" with me, I will play.

I'm quite sure he can tell an argument from evidence. But if he is going to pretend he can't, so will I.

People ask for tangible evidence, poster says they are stupid... lol wut.

So you want to play too heh.

Tell you want, you explain to me why my argument is wrong.

A PLEX type system basically allows anyone to be a gil seller. When you buy a game-time token and pay for it in gil, you are effectively selling gil. The more sellers of gil there are, the lower the price of gil. RMT earns less.

Right now RMT has a monopoly on RL money to gil conversion. With a PLEX system, their monopoly will be broken.

Anything that will screw over those RMT spamming bastards is a positive in my book.

Where is the fault - if any?

If my premises are correct and my argument is vaild, the the conclusion must follow.

[Magis]

I never claimed it a be all and all solution. But it's reasonable to conclude that it will hurt RMT spammers, which is good.

Well, shutting down the game would also hurt RMT, but no need to cut your nose off to spite your face. The risk to the game is a bigger threat than some RMT spam which could be killed using conventional anti-spam measures.

Oh please, if he wants to play "games" with me, I will play.

I'm quite sure he can tell an argument from evidence. But if he is going to pretend he can't, so will I.

What? Evidence isn't a substitute for an argument, it is used to back up your argument. If you can't back it up, then it's meaningless conjure based on your personal opinion. If you want to argue that this would kill or damage RMT without breaking the games system, then show some evidence of it happening in other MMOs. The only example I (and I am sure you) can think of is EVE Online... a game that was planned and built around PLEX. This is not the case for games like Tera and Wildstar which have failed or gone F2P (a failure point of an MMO in most people's book anyway).

All of you P2W naysayers should just put your hands over your heads and think...

People WITH MORE FREE TIME say: It's OK for people with more free time to have an advantage in the game.
People WITH MORE FREE TIME say: It's NOT OK for people with more money IRL to have an advantage in the game.

Like I said... it's all about mantaining your priviledges, huh?

Uhhh, wut? Yes, people who put more effort into playing the game get more back, WOW SUCH A NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY CONCEPT! If you don't have enough time cause of your TWO JOBS!1!1!!! then maybe MMORPG's are not for you. Or better yet, realize that you don't actually "need" everything in the game. This isn't a single player game where you can get 100% completion or something. SE even goes out of their way to cater to your playstyle (as much as dislike it) when most content can be completed relatively quickly, they nerf content, and basically make all gear worthless every patch cycle so you never fall too far behind.

I wonder if this is the problem here. That a lot of non-MMO players bring their single player game mindset into MMOs and then are shocked when they can't get 100% in everything.

[Tiggy]

Evidence isn't a substitute for an argument, it is used to back up your argument.

Exactly. They won't supply evidence and then we get insulted for asking for some. Looking at you AlexionSkylark.

That's why I keep saying people are arguing opinion. Because they refuse to back it up with evidence.