It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[CrystalRainbow]

It's not really pay to win.

It's Play to Play for the people that play sooooo much.
And for most people nothing changes.
for a few it will become way to win.


But we have this system inplace. with the wedding items. Wedding items now go for 1.4m for $20 or 2.6m gil for $40 on balmung.

[AlexionSkylark]

It's funny how you brand this "pay to win" with a negative stigma that's totally unjustified. You really mix up stuff.

The term "Pay to Win" was created in freemium games where the items bought in cash shops were IMPOSSIBLE to be obtained otherwise, making people who pay the only ones with the best equipment. It can be expanded to "if you don't pay, you don't win". Now THAT is utterly wrong.

Now, if you have another way of getting the EXACT SAME rewards as the people who paid, why is that such a problem?
It's a CHOICE. You EITHER pay, OR bust your ass playing.

This mentality of "effort spent" in MMOs, and how "it's so unfair, because I "worked" for my rewards, and I want everybody else to do the same" is really, REALLY selfish. Not to mention this is a GAME, not a JOB.

Legalizing RMT will never be "pay to win". Not a single onze of content is being denied to you because you can't pay.
Now you think there's content that should be denied to us because we can't play so many hours per day, or week.

Now that says a lot about who's being the "evil side" in that argument.

[DoctorPepper]

The term "Pay to Win" was created in freemium games where the items bought in cash shops were IMPOSSIBLE to be obtained otherwise, making people who pay the only ones with the best equipment. It can be expanded to "if you don't pay, you don't win". Now THAT is utterly wrong.

Really? Every time I've ever heard somebody mention pay to win it was because people were able to obtain the best items in the game using real money. It seems like you just pulled that out of your rear to be honest.

Buying gil allows you to buy coil runs and the best crafted gear in the game, that's a fact that you seem to be ignoring. Since you can buy the best stuff in the game using gil that makes having a legitimate way to buy gil pay to win in my opinion. If you couldn't buy the best stuff in the game with gil then I might be a little more open to it but you can and that's a fact, period.

What do I know though, I've only been playing MMORPGs for the last 15 years.

[AlexionSkylark]

What do I know though, I've only been playing MMORPGs for the last 15 years.

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing? Will a PLEX somehow remove your ability to run Coil?

Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

[DoctorPepper]

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing.
Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

lol I just answered your question based on my own opinion, it's not my fault you want to ignore it and pretend I didn't answer it. I told you why I think it's wrong and I find it amusing that you quoted the last sentence of my post rather than the factual information I posted before it.

I also never said my stick is bigger than yours, I said that I have 15 years of experience in order to emphasize that I have experience on the subject we're talking about. If you want to take it as an insult, ignore my entire post, and then get defensive trying to insult me like a child then go ahead. I'm at work and this thread is amusing me so have at it.

[Duuude007]

"mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

FFXIV content was never exclusive, no matter how much you want to label it as such to forward your agenda.

You learn the ropes, network with the right people, bam, opportunity.

NOW let's turn the tables on your argument.

Player x spends 3 hours a day on the game for 6 months, and is a week away from affording the only available house on the market. Player plans to work on craft sales and close the gap as fast as he can within the ToS.

Player y spends 3 hours a day on the game for 6 months, and is a week away from affording the only available house on the market. Player Y is impatient and wants to gurantee rights to said house by buying it now. Player Y breaks ToS and secretly buys gil to close the gap and purchase the house today.

equal footing, unfair, opportunity.

Cheating.

To say that YOU are entitled to such a head start because you bribe the right people? I thought you had integrity.

[Magis]

Yeah, exclusivity doesn't matter... that's why Savage Coil did so well OH **** WAIT IT DIDN'T! I think we should apply this ACROSS THE GAME! Items need some worth (most of it coming from exclusivity), otherwise there is no carrot on the stick.

If it is a flaw in the system and not working as intended, then surely SE is taking steps to fix the problem. And if they aren't, then why do you think that is?

And you need to work on your reading comprehension. Thanks to this lovely little system I got to spend a trivial amount of in-game money (for me) on something that would have otherwise cost me $20.

They did take steps, they asked players to stop doing it. If it was "working as intended" they'd flat out tell people they could do it. The PR disaster and work needed to roll back everyone's accounts (if even possible) would be more work then it is worth.

[AlexionSkylark]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

[Chasely]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

Besides the majority of players not wanting it?

[AlexionSkylark]

Besides the majority of players not wanting it?

Actually it seems the community is very divided on the issue.