It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Aldora]

No, it's called being pragmatic.

The fact that it will hurt RMT is even more awesome.

Feel free to be principled in your fantasyland, we here in the real world want solutions. PLEX is the lesser of 2 evils. The less money in the hands of those bastard RMTs, the better.

But it’s still “Evil” nonetheless. If you want to battle RMT, you will not be doing so by “legalizing” it. It’s because of people that are buying gil that the whole RMT business exists in the first place.

By adding a “PLEX”-system, you are basically “giving up” the fight and “joining them”. At that point the RMT business has won the battle.

[Bishop81]

You keep claiming this as fact. Most of what I seen here has been anecdotal at best. Being applied to a completely different game design using entirely different scenarios, at worst.

If you have something 'factual' to challenge us with, perhaps some citations to back up the 'stories' your... 'majority' is trying to sell us.

Elementary my dear ... Duuude007.

A PLEX type system basically allows anyone to be a gil seller. When you buy a game-time token and pay for it in gil, you are effectively selling gil. The more sellers of gil there are, the lower the price of gil. RMT earns less.

Right now RMT has a monopoly on RL money to gil conversion. With a PLEX system, their monopoly will be broken.

Anything that will screw over those RMT spamming bastards is a positive in my book.

[tocsin]

At that point the RMT business has won the battle.

Honestly, what battle do you think the RMT is fighting? they fight to make money to profit ourselves. if SE takes up a PLEX system, then WE win, because that money will be going towards SE, to make the game better.

I have always been in support of a PLEX system, and will continue to be so. Pay to win may not be a 100% win, but if they win, and I win too (by getting a better game) im okay with that. Their winning doesn't affect me, but PLEX makes ME win, whether I buy it or not.

[Bishop81]

But it’s still “Evil” nonetheless. If you want to battle RMT, you will not be doing so by “legalizing” it. It’s because of people that are buying gil that the whole RMT business exists in the first place.

By adding a “PLEX”-system, you are basically “giving up” the fight and “joining them”. At that point the RMT business has won the battle.

I don't see the world in such black and white terms as "evil" and "good".

I pick the solution that provide the best possible outcome.

Anything that screws over the spamming RMT, reducing my spam, is positive from my point of view.

People are going to buy gil whether you or SE want them to or not - how else did you think those RMT companies survive for so long. This is a fact that you must accept. This is reality.

[Duuude007]

Elementary my dear ... Duuude007.

<more anecdotal evidence>

Uh, huh.

So, where is the 'fact' you speak of, again?

[Bishop81]

Uh, huh.

So, where is the 'fact' you speak of, again?

You don't understand what "anecdotal evidence" means do you.

What I have written isn't "evidence". It's an argument.

LOL. I see I have been wasting my time. No point, conversing with someone who can't even tell the difference between evidence and an argument.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

People say this new system would put all that RMT money in the hands of Square to "make the game better", yet aren't same few people are also against a cash shop that....would also give Square more money to make more content for the game?

[Duuude007]

What I have written isn't "evidence".

This has been my point all along.

[Tiggy]

You don't understand what "anecdotal evidence" means do you.

What I have written isn't "evidence". It's an argument.

Well you DID quote this..

You keep claiming this as fact. Most of what I seen here has been anecdotal at best. Being applied to a completely different game design using entirely different scenarios, at worst.

If you have something 'factual' to challenge us with, perhaps some citations to back up the 'stories' your... 'majority' is trying to sell us.

So it seems pretty obvious you were trying to offer non anecdotal evidence since he was specifically asking for some evidence that wasn't anecdotal. Then you feel free to asnwer with what you then defend as an "arguement"? Why even respond if you aren't going to give him the info he was asking for? Are you surprised he pointed out it was still anecdotal? It's like you didn't even read what he said at all, and specifically that you don't seem to understand what Anecdotal Evidence means. Have a read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a generalized claim; it is, however, perfectly acceptable for claims regarding a particular instance

It describes much of the support for a Plex system in this thread rather well. By definition this thread is riddled with anecdotal evidence. I've made attempts to ask for evidence and supporting data but they have been consistently ignored in favor of spouting further anecdotal evidence.

What I have written isn't "evidence".

This was literally the point he was making. GG. Too many people in this thread arguing opinions. Not enough evidence. I don't care about your opinion. I care about where this has worked before, how well, and why you think it would work better or as well here. I could literally care less about your opinion. Facts are all I want to work in. Actual tangible examples of real life data. However, that seems difficult for people in this thread to produce because as far as I can tell it doesn't exist.

[Bishop81]

People say this new system would put all that RMT money in the hands of Square to "make the game better", yet aren't same few people are also against a cash shop that....would also give Square more money to make more content for the game?

Cash shop, I can do without, shutting it down doesn't have any effect - except for SE bottom line.

PLEX? Without = RMT run wild and make money. With = RMT make a lot less money = me happy.

It's a necessary evil in a way. I really wish we didn't have to resort to things like PLEX but it seems better than the status quote.

If you have other idea with regards to combating RMT, feel free to speak out. If there is a better way, I'm all for it.

This has been my point all along.

I'm telling you how and why it will work. Not presenting with you with an example of it working.

Perhaps discussions of this sort is beyond your mental capabilities.

Well you DID quote this..



So it seems pretty obvious you were trying to offer non anecdotal evidence since he was specifically asking for some evidence that wasn't anecdotal. Then you feel free to asnwer with what you then defend as an "arguement"? Why even respond if you aren't going to give him the info he was asking for? Are you surprised he pointed out it was still anecdotal? It's like you didn't even read what he said at all, and specifically that you don't seem to understand what Anecdotal Evidence means.



This was literally the point he was making. GG. Too many people in this thread arguing opinions. Not enough evidence. I don't care about your opinion. I care about where this has worked before, how well, and why you think it would work better or as well here. I could literally care less about your opinion. Facts are all I want to work in. Actual tangible examples of real life data. However, that seems difficult for people in this thread to produce because as far as I can tell it doesn't exist.

See above.