Dear Yoshi & Team: About Current TT Tournament Model

[Shinun]

If you deny legit winners the card, you can possibly lose their sub forever. How can you not realize that some people take this very seriously?

If people were to quit that they took a card away that they might of won legitimately, then theirs just as many people who were close to the top scores before unnatural scores started filling the ranks that might quit if they reward players who cheated to get a card they would have won. SE needs to nullify this tournament or Fix the Tournament and reward the Lightning Card just this week to all participants.

[JayCommon]

You have just as much an all-or-nothing mentality as those that say "unless you can guarantee that no cheater is getting a card, then I do not support this".

Just clarifying.

Please, please quote where I said I didn't have that mentality. Actually, please quote where I said I needed clarification on my own point of view.

I fully realize that my stance is the direct opposite of the person I am debating with. Because that's what this is: a debate

My OPINIONS, (which I have stated many times that is all they are) don't hold any weight or bearing on what may or not be done. So exactly what are you clarifying? Did you make this post so you could understand it better? I mean....

Anyway...

A) This reason can also be used with the same weight, against nixing a tournament. None of you have any proof that some Triple Triad prodigy won't go 15/15 legit and beat a win trader on every single server. I mean, there are thousands of people per server right? You folks are crying wolf when you hear the howls in the night, the wolf has not even accomplished anything yet. Try again. There is still 5 days for real players to win as well.

B) I do not believe more subs will be lost due to this, because as you just said, this tournament is repeatable and will be offered again. Cheaters are going to find their ways to cheat. Should we shut the entire game down because merc's are selling content clears? SE has already said this is not even in violation of the ToS. In my opinion, it's in violation of morals, and I think they need to fix future tourneys. Don't release another tourney until the structure is sound. (you do have a valid point here though...)


So as much as my argument is invalid, neither is the person's who I responded to who wants to completely delete the competition because of his knowledge of what's going on in his server. It's equally as invalid as you attempting to single me out for sharing a differing opinion as yours. Just as you said, no one has won yet. That also includes win traders....

I am not a GM, a dev or anything else. I do not have finality over this matter. But I damn sure have the right to speak how I feel. If you don't agree with that, it's fine with me.

Just clarifying.

[Curatio_Magus]

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My only point is that you are being just as extreme as your opposition. Not that you are indeed in opposition.

All-or-nothing statements are obvious oppositions, however, one does not need to be all-or-nothing to be in opposition.

Just clarifying.

[Freyt]

Here's my solution:

DF Triad -> Lose once, you're out of the tournament. Win, and you can play again.
At the end of the tournament, the wins are tallied and the person with the most wins... wins.
As such, potentially a person with 2 wins could win the tournament. If it's a tie, then a sudden death sounds good. Or to prevent a tie you could include the number of cards flipped into a score, which should drastically reduce the odds of a tie.

You could also make it so anyone with the Lightning card couldn't participate, and have a separate MGP tournament.

[Nova_Dresden]

Do you know for a fact that all 60+ servers have cheating involved?

Yes. Once one server has it, then all servers have it. That's the curse of the internet that once something is known as an exploit and communicated it exists everywhere.

[Tarelther]

How I would do this tournament:

1. Each player gets 3 lives. Lose 3 times and you're done. You can earn no more points after this.
2. The All Open rule is not in play for tournament matches. This is to prevent the use of solvers.
3. Matches are made by the Duty Finder matching players with similar numbers of points. Language option has no effect.
4. Winning against a player with few wins gives negligible points. Point values increase exponentially the more wins an opponent has. A no win player might be worth 10 points, but a 10 win player might be worth 1,000.
5. Draws give no points but don't take a life.
6. Most points wins.

We still use points instead of wins to account for the Duty Finder having to make concessions in matchmaking due to queue times. Since players no longer select their opponents, the opportunity to game the system is reduced. Even if the Duty Finder is gamed in off peak hours, since low win players reward few points, the incentive to try is eliminated.

[Zanarken]

If you deny legit winners the card, you can possibly lose their sub forever. How can you not realize that some people take this very seriously?

How many legitimate winners would this effect? A handful? Meanwhile you have an entire games playerbase up in arms. If SE rewards those who exploited their way to the top, it will set a very negative precedent in this game. As I mentioned earlier, the best course of action would be to cancel the event/all MGP rewards & give out Lightning cards to all participants. Then overhaul the tournament system where it cannot be abused.

[Eii]

Then overhaul the tournament system where it cannot be abused.

so, no tournaments ever?
because, everything can and will be exploited. its just blindly naive to think that there is any chance that anything unexploitable will ever exist.

Thats the reason why real tournaments of any kind normally have at least one instance of people/referees watching over it to ensure, everyone play by the rules. even then,. its not guaranteed that everything is 100% legit.
sad? yeah, but true.

[Spawnie]

i dont even care about gettin rewards or not just cant stand cheating in any game.. the way current tourneys are even the basic decks can end up top of the rankings really pointless to farm hours n put in effort to hit the 60 card mark if ppl can just throw gil around for wins and ranks in the tourneys hope they implement a quick fix b4 the end of this tourney or b4 the start of the next 1

[Zanarken]

so, no tournaments ever?

I think we would all like to see additional tournaments, but ones with actual structure to them where players do not have the freedom to choose their own opponents & with rules that limit abuse. If they do intend to have additional tournaments, they need to allocate more resources to it. I've attended a few card tournaments over the years & this was by far the least organized event that I have ever been apart of. I truly believe it was just an honest mistake/oversight on Square Enix's behalf & they seem to recognize that. That however, does not make it ok to reward players who blatantly cheated legitimate players out of an exclusive card & 140,000 MGP. I think very few would be upset if SE came forward & announced

"Hey community, we made a mistake. Event has been cancelled. Rewards removed but all participants will receive a Lightning card."