Dear Yoshi & Team: About Current TT Tournament Model

[Snugglebutt]

Greetings,

We've been reading over all your feedback regarding Triple Triad tournaments and sharing all of it with the development team. They would like to look into adjusting future Triple Triad tournament rules based on suggestions and feedback.

The rules are not the problem the mechanics are, specifically the allowing of players to pick their own opponents...that above all else needs to change. I think almost everyone would be happy (except those who's only interest in the tournament is selling wins) if had three tiers of the tournament, 1 star, 2 star and 3 star decks and make the 'game' select player opponents based on which tier they are taking part in and not let the players pick their own.

Most important thing is remove option of players choosing their own opponents.

Here is what I would do...first and foremost remove the ability for players to choose their own opponents. That is the only way to stop the win buying going on which should not be happening in any tournaments, whether you do that through a roulette system or whatever I don't care as long as you remove the option for players to pick their own opponents.

I would make the tiers something like this...

Tier 1 (The 60+ card category)

First prize for top 3 is the legendary/collector cards + 150,000MGP, second prize for top 4-10 being 10 gold card packs + 100,000MGP, third prize for top 11-20 being 10 silver card packs + 50,000MGP followed by fourth prize for ranked 21-50 which is 10 bronze pack cards + 10,000MGP, the rest get 1000MGP perhaps for taking part provided play all 15 matches in a tournament.

Tier 2 (The 30 to 59 card category)

First prize for top 3 is 100,000MGP, second prize for top 4-10 being 10 gold card packs + 50,000MGP, third prize for top 11-20 being 10 silver card packs + 25,000MGP followed by fourth prize for ranked 21-50 which is 10 bronze pack cards + 5,000MGP, the rest get 1000MGP perhaps for taking part provided play all 15 matches in a tournament.

Tier 3 (The 1 to 29 card category)

First prize for top 3 is 50,000MGP, second prize for top 4-10 being 10 gold card packs + 25,000MGP, third prize for top 11-20 being 10 silver card packs + 15,000MGP followed by fourth prize for ranked 21-50 which is 10 bronze pack cards + 3,000MGP, the rest get 1000MGP perhaps for taking part provided play all 15 matches in a tournament.

[Krr]

Just a quick note, The cheaters wouldn't have 15/15 wins. The best point ratio value in a trading scheme being utilized would put them around 8-10 wins with losses to boost opponents rank before beating them in a rematch scenario (it will net them more points overall). As noted by the guy who got 1920 or so points off 8 wins.

It would be a real pain in the ass to do this 15 times, but ideally what you would do is find 15 high-ELO opponents (through 5-10 wins of their own) and have them sandbag against you.

In exchange for a lot of gil.

A LOT of gil.

It wouldn't be hard to inflate your invisible-ELO-score-thing by thrashing a high-grade NPC like Elmer a few times either.

[Lycinder]

Tier 1 (The 60+ card category)

First prize for top 3 is the legendary/collector cards + 150,000MGP

Tier 2 (The 30 to 59 card category)

First prize for top 3 is 100,000MGP

Tier 3 (The 1 to 29 card category)

First prize for top 3 is 50,000MGP

So only those who farmed 60 cards gets the right to have a chance to get a legendary card?

No that's a bit unfair especially with how someone can make a deck with the under 60 limit beat someone with over 60 cards especially with the first tourny being All Open and plus rule, what we need is something like the elo system which will sort you into tiers based off your previous experience in tournaments therefore people will be better suited against their opponents and still have a good chance at a collectors card without having to rely on rng bull to get to 60 cards.

[Snugglebutt]

So only those who farmed 60 cards gets the right to have a chance to get a legendary card?

No that's a bit unfair especially with how someone can make a deck with the under 60 limit beat someone with over 60 cards especially with the first tourny being All Open and plus rule, what we need is something like the elo system which will sort you into tiers based off your previous experience in tournaments therefore people will be better suited against their opponents and still have a good chance at a collectors card without having to rely on rng bull to get to 60 cards.

It is not unfair at all, they are legendary/collector cards first and foremost so anyone who actually cares a lot about collecting cards would try to get enough to take part in that category in the first place plus the main reason I did not put that in all three tiers is to stop people abusing the system by making quick and easy lvl 15 alts (which takes only a couple hours to do) and spamming the tournament over and over in the lowest tier for the legendary/collector card.

There would be no point fixing the buying wins problem if replace that problem with another kind of problem which is the making alt quick characters spamming the lowest tier for the same level of reward as the highest tier top prize gets. By keeping it MGP+card pack related for the lower tiers that would help them build up a nice size deck through buying and winning of the B/S/G packs so that in the next tournament they would be closer to the top tier and by proxy their chances of the legendary/collector cards through hard work and not through abusing the system whether that is from buying wins or making many quick lvl 15 alts and spamming the lowest tier for the highest tier top prize.

[Lycinder]

It is not unfair at all, they are legendary/collector cards first and foremost so anyone who actually cares a lot about collecting cards would try to get enough to take part in that category in the first place plus the main reason I did not put that in all three tiers is to stop people abusing the system by making quick and easy lvl 15 alts (which takes only a couple hours to do) and spamming the tournament over and over in the lowest tier for the legendary/collector card. There would be no point fixing the buying wins problem if replace that problem with another kind of problem which is the making alt quick characters spamming the lowest tier for the same level of reward as the highest tier top prize gets.

What I am trying to get at is the fact a skilled player stuck with the under 60 card limit could beat someone with the over 60 card limit, it should not be how much you are willing to do the mindnumbing grind to get to 60 cards but how skilled you are which decides which bracket you belong to,I didn't say give the lower brackets the collectors cards I said don't hide the bracket behind RNG bull because there are some people (like me) who have reached the point where to get the 60 they need to grind endlessly on npcs with horrible drop rate or be super lucky.
Actually I mean how dare you say that because I have under 60 cards I don't care about collecting the cards -grumble grumble rng bull grumble grumble-

[Noumo]

Triple Triad is for fun. All should have fun. People should have fun, not begin to hate each other over it...

Indeed. On Shiva the guy who is well-known for paying for all of his wins is now hated by mostly everyone. I'm not sorry for him though 'cause he's also provocative, e.g. he flamed me after I didn't accept his attemp to bribe me for my losing against him, but if I look impartial into the whole scenario it is a shame that something is implemented into the game which allows to create such situations while SE states that such behavior isn't disallowed and even rewards those people with an exclusive card so they feel approved in their unsportsmanlike behavior.

Dear SE staff members, please stop the distribution of earnings (especially the lightning-card) at once or the current uproar will even deepen and a fine new feature to the game, the Triple Triad Game, will leave a bad taste in the mouth to a great, GREAT bunch of players.

[Nashred]

Anyone who thinks its ok to buy wins really should have your morals checked.

I hope in the end they ban these people if they are caught even though they probably wont.

They need to start perma banning people like they did in FFXI for using exploits.

[JayCommon]

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Maybe not, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I am not the one declaring to completely nix an entire competition based on biased point of view for whatever may or may not be happening on your server, I look at the bigger picture.

If you deny legit winners the card, you can possibly lose their sub forever. How can you not realize that some people take this very seriously?

You can call it naive all you want, but it's realism. You don't have to like it, but I'm sorry, cancelling the entire tournament across all worlds because there may be rampant cheating going on in some of the servers is not the correct way to go about fixing this. That's my opinion. If this is the only way you feel this week's tournament can be reconciled, an investigation by SE needs be undertaken to determine which players cheated, and then punish those people. I will never be in favor of laying down heavy-handed judgement based off of unfounded assumptions (of EVERYONE in the top cheating) that sweeps across the board, negatively affecting any player who didn't rightly deserve it.

Btw, I dropped to 4th place, I'm already out of the Lightning race this week. I didn't really think my score would stand the whole week anyway. The person who skipped me is still not a win trader. No one on our top 20 board is a win trader. And I already outlined in my first (lengthy, so you may have missed it) post, that my opinions remain unchanged even knowing that win traders could take over the top 3 spots of my board from anywhere between now and the 10th. If someone in 1st place on a small random server out there legit earned it, I will not be the one to advocate taking the card out of that person's hands.

Unless SE can unequivocally determine that every single server's top 3 were all win traders, I will stand against this point of view. I would totally be OK with the investigation bit I mentioned above to actually punish the win traders. I am not OK with a punishment directed at win traders being doled out to everyone and potentially affecting people who don't deserve it.

The format definitely does need to be changed, though.

[Senjougahara]

Please just void this tournament, restructure it, then relaunch in the future. I'm sure many would rather play no tournament than a broken one.

[Curatio_Magus]

Maybe not, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I am not the one declaring to completely nix an entire competition based on biased point of view for whatever may or may not be happening on your server, I look at the bigger picture.

If you deny legit winners the card, you can possibly lose their sub forever. How can you not realize that some people take this very seriously?

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Unless SE can unequivocally determine that every single server's top 3 were all win traders, I will stand against this point of view. I would totally be OK with the investigation bit I mentioned above to actually punish the win traders. I am not OK with a punishment directed at win traders being doled out to everyone and potentially affecting people who don't deserve it.

The format definitely does need to be changed, though.

A) Nobody has won or lost yet
B) If you believe that someone will unsub strictly, and only because they failed to gain a single card that they very well may not have won in the first place, hasn't actually even won yet, and will be able to win again in the future... then you must believe more subs would be lost by allowing what many believe to be cheaters winning the cards

Your argument is not valid.

You have just as much an all-or-nothing mentality as those that say "unless you can guarantee that no cheater is getting a card, then I do not support this".

Just clarifying.