Shouldn't DRG be top DPS?

[Flipside101]

A friend of mine and I were talking about DPS classes in general that became more focused on melee. Neither of us main DRG, so this is just based on observation, but we came to a simultaneous conclusion: DRG should be top melee DPS.

Why? Overall Raid Utility - or rather lack thereof.

To put this into perspective I'm going to lay down what the melee classes do for the Raid:
NIN - Trick Attack, Goad, synergy with WAR (if you have one)
MNK - Dragon Kick, Mantra
DRG - Disembowel

One can argue that Mantra can be cross-classed but Dragon Kick is still there, while Disembowel provides a buff only for 1 other class.

However, class mechanics and ease of use can also be argued for each class; thoughts?

[Krindor]

Simply risk and reward, a monk losing GL will cause him to lose a lot of dps where a DRG who lost HT can simply reapply it asap, same with NIN, they have their mudras, if a Huton mudra fail that's 20 seconds where they will deal a lot less DPS. Reaching top DPS on a MNK and NIN is simply more skill compared to DRG which is why DRG is lower than both of them, though I agree that DRG need one more kind of raid utility then they'll be sitting at the same spot as the other two DPS, not that there's a huge difference though, the melee DPS are all quite balanced atm.

[Dervy]

I feel people who make threads like these should get banned off the forums. It adds no value to discussion; instead starts banal arguments and e-peen wars.

[Flipside101]

I feel people who make threads like these should get banned off the forums. It adds no value to discussion; instead starts banal arguments and e-peen wars.

This post is full of irony and hypocrisy.

[DenebPunkin]

Simply risk and reward, a monk losing GL will cause him to lose a lot of dps where a DRG who lost HT can simply reapply it asap, same with NIN, they have their mudras, if a Huton mudra fail that's 20 seconds where they will deal a lot less DPS. Reaching top DPS on a MNK and NIN is simply more skill compared to DRG which is why DRG is lower than both of them, though I agree that DRG need one more kind of raid utility then they'll be sitting at the same spot as the other two DPS, not that there's a huge difference though, the melee DPS are all quite balanced atm.

Missing or using mudras require no skill. AS it stands, Ninja is the least skill oriented class... well technically all 3 melee have a very specific rotation to obtain maximum DPS... so the only skill needed is memorizing the rotation.

[ChaozK]

I feel that all melees are so close to each other nowadays that it doesnt matter too much who has the most in theory and that it comes down to small things.

Disembowel is good support, it brings quite a nice dps boost to BRD that isnt really too far behind trick attack in terms of additional raid dps. Then what used to be a weakpoint of DRG is now a strong point: they have a bit more survivability through higher phy def, HP and self heals. Then there is also the AOE that is stronger then the other melees (although more tp intensive).

As mentioned before, MNK is disadvantaged when it comes to dealing with mechanics due his greased lightning stacks needing to be kept up and the higher amount of positionals (DRG used to be similarly or even higher handicapped in terms of positionals, not anymore though post buff) so MNK deserves and needs higher dps.
Now in theory you cant say the same about NIN but in practice the effect of latency makes it rare for a NIN to achieve his peak dps, so it isnt troublesome if they have a higher dps ceiling.

[Dervy]

This post is full of irony and hypocrisy.

Not at all. Go through this entire forum and look at every single thread which states "X Class should be B DPS" or something similar. Every single one of those threads is full of arguments and opinionated statements. There's a thread like this nearly every week since release and it's really lame seeing the same arguments over and over again.

Instead of people crying "This job should be best DPS for a,b,c reasons", they should be looking at how to maximise the potential of said job.

[Maero]

Missing or using mudras require no skill. AS it stands, Ninja is the least skill oriented class... well technically all 3 melee have a very specific rotation to obtain maximum DPS... so the only skill needed is memorizing the rotation.

And Bard is hard?
Not saying Nin especially not mudra requires skill but there is far more involved playing Ninja then say Bard.
I main Bard but play all dps classes

But you get points for an awesome signature

And on topic,drg with buff is very much closer now to Monk and Nin dps wise. I think they are more balanced now, that be until Monks start complaining again that other classes get close to them...

[Lollie]

And Bard is hard?

Even though it was not explicitly said the focus of this thread is on melee only.
I have not played nin extensivly, but have mnk and drg being my main.

No it should not be top dps, its utility is burst, whatever you may think of that ability as it pertains to current content becomes irelivate as they add new content were some jobs are going to be slightly better then others (I am looking at you Odin and levi). With the addition of no mandatory directionals (you should still be hitting these anyway) it has the most forgiving difference between decent and skilled play. Also its unassisted sustain is second only to blm, you can run a single target for up to 10 minutes without slowing down. Its utility may not be raid centric but it is there.

It is fun fake war tanking in dungeons with bb up on the packs self heals for 1.2-2k a gcd is nothing to laught at nor is dropping a dfd with bb and ls up for 2.5k dmg and 4-500 hp gained per mob.

[Maero]

I was simply replying to the one poster who made it sound like Nin is the easiest class in the entire game is all.
I raid with all dps classes (except Monk) and rotate based on what we need in the group.
I do think drg in it's current state is fine how it is tbh