It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[KisaiTenshi]

That could simply be fixed if there was a system to limit an item to X amounts of trades. The seller can trade it, but the person traded to would have it bind to them. Same with if it was on MB. Lock it to the buyer.

Defeats the purpose of it then.

Look, I've played two (freemium in NA) games that have tried to do this, and one was shut down (Wizardry Online), and the other has more bots than players (Archeage.) In the latter, the gold inflation (from the RMT, though easily-killable bots) effectively made it so that 20$ buys you less than a dollar in benefits. Both of these were PvP games. EVE is also a PvP game. FFXIV is not a PvP game.

Did it put an end to illegal RMT? No. It just ramped it up.

In the latter case, now instead of RMT bots stealing your account and looting it, they instead wipe out your credit card with these tokens, and sell them to players below cost.

[Jamein]

Defeats the purpose of it then.

That doesn't defeat the purpose at all, if the item in question can only be sold over the MB ONCE, and the person who purchases has it locked to their account, then the RMT bots are not going to buy them up, it would be a complete waste for them.

Reading through this thread the arguments against this are quite strange, pay2win? What are you winning? There is no REAL PVP in this game, the only real competition in the game between players/FC's are world first clears which would effect about 0.001% of the population.
I'm not exactly for the system, but my own reasons are because I don't think a game should encourage those who have more time than money to grind for gold so they can pay for their next months subscription. Might be good for subs but from an ethical standpoint its stupid as hell. Hey kid, your mom wont pay your sub? Here's an idea, instead of getting a paper round go farm gold so you can play more!

/shrug

[Laerad3993]

I'm split on it. On one side, Runescape for one has done this for a few years, and yes I realize they have a lot of things most people consider P2W, but I was happy to finally have a way to keep my account active without having to really give them anymore money. I also still play WoW, and am considering doing it there as well, gold wise. The problem with XIV is that Gil is easy as all get out to make, and I could see the item dropping fast in value unless they implement a system to prevent price manipulation. On the other side, I don't see a reason for it in XIV due to the game being so young.

Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week. http://services.runescape.com/m=news...s--one-week-in

[Duuude007]

Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week.

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

[Bishop81]

I'm split on it. On one side, Runescape for one has done this for a few years, and yes I realize they have a lot of things most people consider P2W, but I was happy to finally have a way to keep my account active without having to really give them anymore money.

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Also, to add to this conversation to those saying how it wouldn't combat RMT, it worked for RS within a week. http://services.runescape.com/m=news...s--one-week-in

I'm sure there will be regulations to prevent manipulation - e.g. you can only see the cheapest PLEX available and you won't know the seller's name.

[Laerad3993]

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

Not sure I care, or would take a players word on how they feel the economy has been impacted. Being a member since it launched back in 04, I can assure you Jagex was extremely efficient at eliminating a large chunk of betting and RMT. But I'm sure you know all about that being a player yourself and not flocking to opinions and unofficial comments on the matter. /endsarcasm

[Tiggy]

One week? Not exactly a good measure of consequences..

How about two months in:
30 NOV 2013


...And seeing that RS has F2P access doesn't exactly support argument that it will 'help' the game... nor our's.

This is exactly what I've been saying would happen. Inflation. There is solid evidence right there in a game that implemented such a system that inflation would go poorly.Simple items shot up in price for no other reason than too many people now had a lot of money. People need to pay attention to these examples and how bad the side effects are. It isn't just about people getting free accounts, or stopping RMT. There ARE other effects on the game that can very easily be very negative. How long before buying the RMT cash becomes required just to stay competitive in the market???

[Bishop81]

This is exactly what I've been saying would happen. Inflation. There is solid evidence right there in a game that implemented such a system that inflation would go poorly.Simple items shot up in price for no other reason than too many people now had a lot of money. People need to pay attention to these examples and how bad the side effects are. It isn't just about people getting free accounts, or stopping RMT. There ARE other effects on the game that can very easily be very negative. How long before buying the RMT cash becomes required just to stay competitive in the market???

Inflation? No more money is created from using a PLEX-type system. So this must mean all that happened was money people has been hording - for "rainy days" or just didn't know what to do with - was put back into circulation.

PS: In RL this doesn't happen because money you keep into the bank is loaned out by the bank, so it actually remains in circulation.

[Laerad3993]

This is exactly what I've been saying would happen. Inflation. There is solid evidence right there in a game that implemented such a system that inflation would go poorly.Simple items shot up in price for no other reason than too many people now had a lot of money. People need to pay attention to these examples and how bad the side effects are. It isn't just about people getting free accounts, or stopping RMT. There ARE other effects on the game that can very easily be very negative. How long before buying the RMT cash becomes required just to stay competitive in the market???

Lol, that item dropped to 7m in value. Fast. Inflation did not last long and other than the people that manipulated prices at the GE when free trade was remove, it hasn't been anywhere as bad since. Quit fear mongering.

[Tiggy]

Lol, that item dropped to 7m in value. Fast. Inflation did not last long and other than the people that manipulated prices at the GE when free trade was remove, it hasn't been anywhere as bad since. Quit fear mongering.

Inflation is a very valid concern and even you say "it hasn't been anywhere near as bad since' meaning IT DIDN'T GO AWAY. So it's perfectly valid. Please don't deprecate my concerns just because you don't agree. It's not fear mongering to talk about details that clearly did and continue to happen. It's called reality.