Ninjas: Where did SqEx go wrong?

[treuhavik]

My favorite is when Ninja's I see are using Doton for AOE pulls, ESPECIALLY ones where the other DPS is a BLM. NIN is my alt so I've spent a considerable amount of time learning the ins and outs of it. By no means am I an expert but when I see someone throwing Doton up when an add is clearly going to die in 10 seconds or less I just have to nod and be like, "Yes. Definitely the best option." Obviously, in a sarcastic tone.

What's worse is when they use Doton on single targets. I swear, I see it cast on bosses who are below 10% in nearly every 24-man. /sigh. I almost wish the Devs. would just remove the skill completely.

[Tex_Mex]

I don't think that it is so much a problem with ninjas, as it is a problem with inexperienced players.

It is very common to see players who:
1) Do not understand the mechanics of the game (DoT's, Buffs, GCD's, etc.)
2) Do not yet know boss mechanics so their rotations suffer because they cannot concentrate on them
3) Have not stumbled upon (or researched) proper rotations
4) Do not understand their skills or how to use them efficiently
5) Have fresh 50 gear

It is very obvious to spot players suffering from these issues, especially in 24 man content. MMO's tend to have overly complicated mechanics that are not obvious to first time players.

Now sure, I get a little annoyed when my experience is lengthened by the struggles of bad/new/inexperienced players; however, the only solution is to help them to learn and develop their skills. Just vote kicking them and moving on is very toxic for the community. Try and spend some time teaching them and they will get better over time.

Patience, friend

[siverstorm]

Since I don't want to have to vote kick every bad NIN (nor do I believe a vote would succeed) I think it's worth pondering the WHY in the hopes that I can cap in a timely manner.
Anyone have similar/different experiences or thoughts on the matter?

Man, if vote kicks happened for sub optimal (read: terrible) play 9 out of every 10 goons I see would get the boot. No HT, random abilities being used out of combo, etc.

Unless they're causing constant wipes for whatever reason it's never going to be a reason for me to kick them (I've had the occasional group that after several attempts still couldn't meet dungeon dps checks).

[Slappah]

What's worse is when they use Doton on single targets. I swear, I see it cast on bosses who are below 10% in nearly every 24-man. /sigh. I almost wish the Devs. would just remove the skill completely.

"I wish they'd remove a perfectly good skill because bad players are bad"

[treuhavik]

"I wish they'd remove a perfectly good skill because bad players are bad"

It's not like it's a great ability to begin with... Nine times out of ten, if a good Ninja is using Doton, it's because they messed up their combo.

[Slappah]

It's not like it's a great ability to begin with... Nine times out of ten, if a good Ninja is using Doton, it's because they messed up their combo.

Good ninjas rarely if ever botch a ninjutsu to begin with.

Katon>kassatsu>doton is very strong, with each tick of doton critting.

Saying you want the ability removed because bad players use it at the wrong time is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[treuhavik]

Good ninjas rarely if ever botch a ninjutsu to begin with.

Highlighting the rarity of Doton's usage by good Ninjas.

[Slappah]

Highlighting the rarity of Doton's usage by good Ninjas.

It doesn't matter how often an ability is used. You're ignoring the point.

By your logic lets remove sleep, and tridastor, and miasma 2

[Tex_Mex]

Doton still has some great uses, though most of them involve dealing with trash. And I agree with Slappah on this one. You can't remove an ability just because bad players don't know how to use it. By that logic, you would need to remove a LOT more.

What about Flare? I see BLM's all the time casting flare while they have full MP, effectively destroying their DPS output lol. Is that grounds to remove it? I think you would have a billion angry BLM's if you tried lol

[DenebPunkin]

It doesn't matter how often an ability is used. You're ignoring the point.

By your logic lets remove sleep, and tridastor, and miasma 2

And nothing of value will be lost =D.