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  1. #11
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    Warlyx's Avatar
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 90
    went wrong the moment they created a system (mudras) that albeit looked good on paper , forced a external stat on ninjas...called RL LATENCY the higher this stat the worse your nin will do. and it sucks.....

    ninja is a job that ask the player to press 3 buttons in a order every 20s...keep a buff up (huton) , and keep 3 debufs on the target (no that is hard once u know the rotation ) all while doing boss mechanics.... isnt rocket science but ....
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  2. #12
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    Ninjas and bad ping don't go together. Latency -IS- a factor. The value of skill speed gets reduced a lot if a player has bad ping on nin. U can talk about good players and bad players till the cows come hom, but ppl with crap ping wont reach stellar heights on nin.
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  3. #13
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    Slappah Lol
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    Jenova
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    Reaper Lv 90
    As bad as it sounds, if you have horrible ping and botch your ninjutsu often you should probably just play a different job altogether or try and fix your ping.
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  4. #14
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    Dianora Dawnshadow
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reves View Post
    You want to kick a nin for not using huton or trick attack?
    Absolutely. FFXIV is a multiplayer game and I think to not exhibit even the most basic level of competency in your playing is incredibly disrespectful of anyone who ever has the misfortune to group with you. I'm pointedly not talking about doing max dps for their gear or doing optimal rotations--I'm asking for Huton and Trick Attack.
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  5. #15
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    Mazerat's Avatar
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    Dianora Dawnshadow
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sequora View Post
    I'm confused as to the point of this post? Ninja is probably one of the interesting and complex DPS jobs in the game. This goes from visuals to actual mechanics and gameplay. Could some minor adjustments be made to mudras? Yeah probably.
    The point is: it feels to me like Ninjas are unable to have even rock-bottom proficiency at their class more than any other class I see in roulette. Is there a fixable problem with the NIN class or is it just my imagination and PUGs in general are just completely smashing random keys?
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  6. #16
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    Callinon Soulforge
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    Ultros
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Ninja also hasn't been around for as long as the other classes. I'm sure there are some out there who simply haven't the faintest clue what they're doing.

    If you're looking for a way to help these ninja out though, I recommend the carrot instead of the stick. Point out to them that keeping huton up improves their performance (once you get used to having it up all the time, not having it up suddenly makes you feel like garbage). Some of them probably also don't realize that trick attack is stronger than sneak attack due to its affect on the rest of the party... at a glance, it looks like it's weaker.

    Point out that doton on a single target is a waste of a perfectly good raiton.

    But just getting exasperated and threatening to kick people until morale improves isn't going to help anything.
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  7. #17
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    Momotaro Popotaro
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Slappah View Post
    I find doing CT with 6 ninjas who all use doton religiously on CD for single target is worse.
    ^This

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  8. #18
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    Chida Rake
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    Omega
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    I only play nin for fun, and I know I don't use the considered best rotation, but even I use my buffs debuffs whenever there up and its safe to squeeze them in.

    as for mundra, in general its fine for me and I don't have issues with getting the right mundra the majority of the time however in wod today the inputs seemed so slow and yeah I could slow down and make sure each step is registered but seriously that's a major dps hit it would feel to the point im probs not gaining by using the mundras at all. this feels like something se could look into although im sure they have looked very carefully at load balancing on these raids.
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    strange awareness of ghosts that no longer haunt this shell.

  9. #19
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    Clarkamite's Avatar
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    Firelord Azula
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    My favorite is when Ninja's I see are using Doton for AOE pulls, ESPECIALLY ones where the other DPS is a BLM. NIN is my alt so I've spent a considerable amount of time learning the ins and outs of it. By no means am I an expert but when I see someone throwing Doton up when an add is clearly going to die in 10 seconds or less I just have to nod and be like, "Yes. Definitely the best option." Obviously, in a sarcastic tone.
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  10. #20
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    Rho Bhigs
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 50
    Strangely enough, I think I've encountered more bad ninjas that only spam their AE combo and won't put up any dots compared to ninjas that don't huton or trick. I think the biggest problem is all the new skills you learn with that last mudra. It's a little overwhelming at first and the job quests don't go into great detail about each skill you get so I'm not surprised that some people just don't bother reading or learning it at all.

    But there are gonna be people who are awful at their job no matter what. I still see drgs that can't keep heavy thrust up or mnks that can't keep stacks or use positionals. They're just rarer compared to how many people wanna be ninjas. Wait til 3.0 and bad ninjas will be replaced with bad gunners.
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