playerbase down 25% in 4 months?

[Nuru]

Why do Conjurers and Thaumaturge feel a need to resurrect these dumb threads? -_-

[TirionCrey]

So apparantely someone made a post on the JP forums and made a lodestone crawler to check active players over the last 4 months, they found that around 25% have stopped logging on, even once in the last 4 month period from when they started scanning. Thats a large loss during free mode when they are still updating the game, that means those 25% didn't even bother to log in after updates to check stuff out.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?foru...7781898&page=1

Link to the original JP post in that topic.

First, that is old news. Was posted a while ago and if you check the OP, it's from June 17th...

Secnod...that was before 1.18, which is considered the first REAL patch FFXIv ever got...

Third, I saw a LOT of people who quit months ago check back after 1.18 so you're assumption is invalid.

Fourth, a lot of them quit again, but this doesn't change the fact that people are willing to come back once the game is enjoyable and finished.

Fifth, by now everyone knows the games last chance is gonna be the PS3 release, if they don't rush it and get the game in shape and polished before that the PS3 community will bring a chunk of people into the game.

[Abriael]

Yes! And that's your big mistake; facts don't
matter when you try to retain customers.

Opinions do. Reviews do. Forum posts do.

Because unless SE can convince reviewers,
and forum posters to invite their friends,
this game will simpy fizzle into oblivion.

Opinions vary. YOUR opinion counts only as YOUR opinion.

Forum posts count for crap. Forums are no representation of the playerbase. Any and every MMORPG forum is full of hate and rage, even more than this one, and even for games that are far more successful than this one.

Reviews are obsolete. Nothing SE can do can change obsolete reviews. The fact that obsolete reviews describe systems that don't exist anymore makes them irrelevant. As they are irrelevant to describe the validity of the current market wards system, since it's *factually* different from the system they describe.

Future reviews (that will come out with the PS3 version) will have to be based on facts, unless the reviewer is willing to throw his credibility into the bushes (which isn't even that unlikely, mind you, most reviewers have no respect for their credibility).
I'm sure very eager to see what happens if a reviewer reviews the PS3 version of the game and states that the market wards don't have a search function (like in the original reviews). Credibility -> gone.

Sorry to burst a bubble but you trying to convince yourself that "facts don't matter" is probably the most laughable statement i read today. But yeah, I'm sure that facts don't matter for you, since you posted a misleading and false statistic to begin with.

[Abriael]

You posted a list of items. I disagreed with one of those items. You immediately went on the defensive and lashed back over it. Yes, that is an over-reaction.

Actually I just disagreed with your disagreement, and explained why. To which you got bent out of shape and overreacted. Chill.

Whether your unnecessarily defensive and abrasive response was "calmly written" or not doesn't change the fact that it was unnecessarily defensive and abrasive. I didn't attack you. I didn't insult you. I didn't troll or flame you.

nor did I. Your point being?

The record speaks for itself. People can go back and read my post, and your response to it, and judge for themself.

You seem to think that in a conversation, replying and countering your arguments is somehow akin to "Overreacting". Hint for you, it's not. Calling people "arrogant and demonstrably intolerant" because they dare to respond to you is.

To point out the obvious, comparing your behavior to someone else who has repeatedly demonstrated the same in similar situations does not require that person having posted in this thread. Ironically, that you tried to spin it that way is another very Neptune-worthy tactic. You're 2 for 2! Gonna go for a hat trick next?

Looks who's trying to spin You've overreacted, resorted to personal attacks and even personally attacked someone uninvolved.

Sorry to interrupt your little tangent there, but are you going to re-join the conversation and address things I'm actually saying? Or shall I let you just continue rambling off into fantasy-land, arguing over things I haven't.

For the last time, and please pay attention this time: I never brought personal opinion into the topic. You did. I merely pointed out the logistic difference between the current MW system compared to a true AH system.

What logistic differences? But even more, compared to *what*? Every AH system has different nuances. Some involve bidding, some not, some (actually quite a lot of them) even send you all the way to your mailbox to recover the items that you purchased.
Having to walk to an NPC is no sizable difference.

The only real logistic common point between all the auction house systems is that there's a search engine that lets you but stuff from people in a localized area of a world. Further logistics vary from game to game.

There's no "true AH system" as every game has a different one. The Market Wards as they are now are just another variation.

[Grim_Lion]

Cant say Im suprised by this. It probably reflects my linkshells player base pretty well.

[Wynn]

I don't know why this thread needed to be resurrected (or started in the first place). It's not like it is a secret people left in droves. Why do you think this game is free and they are making massive changes? Is this thread to warn SE? I'm pretty sure they are aware. Is this thread to warn the players? I'm sure we are aware too. Is it just to complain for the sake of complaint and doom chanting? This might be accurate.

[Esk]

Simply put pointing out the game is in trouble or losing people doesn't help, it only helps those who want to see if fail if even that tbf.

Until they are well past update 1.2 I cant see the game turning around numbers wise in a meaning full way, as atm were only getting basic features (like you know in a beta maybe?).
I would think as they get ready to start advertising the PS3 launch we will start getting real content and get to see where the conflict in the game is really going..
Something like an expansion which is more the end patch for its relaunch.
Until that point gloom and doom post are pointless and just for people to be pointless in.

An yes this is a pointless post in a pointless thread that should have died and been left dead.

[Vermilion]

I logged back on for the update. Was not impressed, went back to being inactive. I'm part of that 25% and proud.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

So apparantely someone made a post on the JP forums and made a lodestone crawler to check active players over the last 4 months, they found that around 25% have stopped logging on, even once in the last 4 month period from when they started scanning. Thats a large loss during free mode when they are still updating the game, that means those 25% didn't even bother to log in after updates to check stuff out.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?foru...7781898&page=1

Link to the original JP post in that topic.

I know about 15 people alone that don't plan on coming back to play until 1.20 comes out or after that. So these numbers aren't surprising, but there was a lot of people who did come back for 1.18 myself included. Which I don't play as much as I used to but I still get on several times a week.

[weeble]

i'd suggest to SE devs to work on a endgame that is full ls event, something like sky. with lots of farming of mobs, good tactics and dynamic battles, with nm's and very hard hnm's. with drop ranging from pretty easy to very difficult from easy drop rates to 1%drop rate rewards.

as u can see a simple dungeon didn't cut it, (maybe they have a expansion in the works with something like this, i hope so) i say everyone would be logging in and enjoying this type of content if it was added. people would log in and stay loged in to do this. least that is my opinion but i'm almost certain of it.

8 and 4man dungeons don't create commrodery, it creates clicks ...and everyone else just logged back out. and this dungeon didn't help since most people didn't want anything else other then con,archer or glad. lets hope se listens to this cause i'm almost certain that no dungeons will keep most players, only the few they already have just stay a little more entertained.