playerbase down 25% in 4 months?

[Abriael]

I would make a poll - but Abraiel was smart enough to immunize his opinion against any form of falsification. After all,
Anyone, playing any MMORPG, mind you.

So basically the ones that already left have no clue,
and the ones that voice their opinions in the forums don't count.
Oh, and reviews don't count either.
Because we've already established reviewers are numbskulls, and
no serious player gives crap about a review anyway.

Well played Sir, well played.

Ah, strawman arguments. You can't have enough of them it seems.

1: if you think a poll in a forum is any representation of the thousands of people that play a game. Think again.
2: The ones that already left can do what they want. I sure have more respect for the ones that left and moved on, than for the ones that continue to troll a game they don't like, obsessed an unable to move on.
3: Reviews are obsolete, and count zero. MMORPG reviews have an expiry date, as MMORPGs evolve more than any other game. Something that describe mechanics that have since radically changed or that don't even exist anymore has no validity. It's simple logic. The Market Wards described in reviews have absolutely nothing to do with the market wards now.
4: The fact that most gaming reviewers lack any kind of journalistic education or integrity is a well known fact in the industry, even more known is the fact that most of them don't dedicate enough time to MMORPGs in order to get a decent idea of them. The slew of over-8/9 scores given to Age of Conan based on the first (very good) levels and competely disregarding the barren wasteland coming past level 20 are a clear example of that. Not that many learned the lesson, mind you.

I don't need to play forum games. I base what I say on facts.

[Rinsui]

I base what I say on facts.

Yes! And that's your big mistake; facts don't
matter when you try to retain customers.

Opinions do. Reviews do. Forum posts do.

Because unless SE can convince reviewers,
and forum posters to invite their friends,
this game will simpy fizzle into oblivion.

[Abriael]

Yes! And that's your big mistake; facts don't
matter when you try to retain customers.

Opinions do. Reviews do. Forum posts do.

Because unless SE can convince reviewers,
and forum posters to invite their friends,
this game will simpy fizzle into oblivion.

Opinions vary. YOUR opinion counts only as YOUR opinion.

Forum posts count for crap. Forums are no representation of the playerbase. Any and every MMORPG forum is full of hate and rage, even more than this one, and even for games that are far more successful than this one.

Reviews are obsolete. Nothing SE can do can change obsolete reviews. The fact that obsolete reviews describe systems that don't exist anymore makes them irrelevant. As they are irrelevant to describe the validity of the current market wards system, since it's *factually* different from the system they describe.

Future reviews (that will come out with the PS3 version) will have to be based on facts, unless the reviewer is willing to throw his credibility into the bushes (which isn't even that unlikely, mind you, most reviewers have no respect for their credibility).
I'm sure very eager to see what happens if a reviewer reviews the PS3 version of the game and states that the market wards don't have a search function (like in the original reviews). Credibility -> gone.

Sorry to burst a bubble but you trying to convince yourself that "facts don't matter" is probably the most laughable statement i read today. But yeah, I'm sure that facts don't matter for you, since you posted a misleading and false statistic to begin with.

[Blair]

Marketing suggestion for SE:

Promote PS3 advertisement (TV/WEB/...all sort) FFXIV together with FFXIII-2 or FFXIII-versu, you'll save lots of money.

Promote each local dealer to import both FFXIV and FFXIII-xxx as a combo, with less fee.

Promote FFXIV expansion together (This is the ONLY way to save this game , but does SE secretly working on it? )

Well, again, [Good Luck]

[Nuru]

Why do Conjurers and Thaumaturge feel a need to resurrect these dumb threads? -_-

[TirionCrey]

So apparantely someone made a post on the JP forums and made a lodestone crawler to check active players over the last 4 months, they found that around 25% have stopped logging on, even once in the last 4 month period from when they started scanning. Thats a large loss during free mode when they are still updating the game, that means those 25% didn't even bother to log in after updates to check stuff out.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?foru...7781898&page=1

Link to the original JP post in that topic.

First, that is old news. Was posted a while ago and if you check the OP, it's from June 17th...

Secnod...that was before 1.18, which is considered the first REAL patch FFXIv ever got...

Third, I saw a LOT of people who quit months ago check back after 1.18 so you're assumption is invalid.

Fourth, a lot of them quit again, but this doesn't change the fact that people are willing to come back once the game is enjoyable and finished.

Fifth, by now everyone knows the games last chance is gonna be the PS3 release, if they don't rush it and get the game in shape and polished before that the PS3 community will bring a chunk of people into the game.

[Grim_Lion]

Cant say Im suprised by this. It probably reflects my linkshells player base pretty well.

[Wynn]

I don't know why this thread needed to be resurrected (or started in the first place). It's not like it is a secret people left in droves. Why do you think this game is free and they are making massive changes? Is this thread to warn SE? I'm pretty sure they are aware. Is this thread to warn the players? I'm sure we are aware too. Is it just to complain for the sake of complaint and doom chanting? This might be accurate.

[Esk]

Simply put pointing out the game is in trouble or losing people doesn't help, it only helps those who want to see if fail if even that tbf.

Until they are well past update 1.2 I cant see the game turning around numbers wise in a meaning full way, as atm were only getting basic features (like you know in a beta maybe?).
I would think as they get ready to start advertising the PS3 launch we will start getting real content and get to see where the conflict in the game is really going..
Something like an expansion which is more the end patch for its relaunch.
Until that point gloom and doom post are pointless and just for people to be pointless in.

An yes this is a pointless post in a pointless thread that should have died and been left dead.