Gold Saucer outfits, gender locked?

[Lukha]

It's bad enough I have to deal with seeing dudes in leopard print speedos when they aren't even at a beach area.

Do you feel this way about similarly-dressed female characters? I really don't understand this mindset.

[Ecks007]

Do you feel this way about similarly-dressed female characters? I really don't understand this mindset.

Well, I'm a straight guy, so of course I don't mind eye candy, even virtual eye candy. /shrug

I wouldn't enjoy seeing a dude walking around in a store in nothing but a speedo either, but if he were out at the beach then I could at least give him the benefit of the doubt, but still not enjoy seeing him.

[Viridiana]

Well, I'm a straight guy, so of course I don't mind eye candy, even virtual eye candy. /shrug

I wouldn't enjoy seeing a dude walking around in a store in nothing but a speedo either, but if he were out at the beach then I could at least give him the benefit of the doubt, but still not enjoy seeing him.

Good news! You have control of your camera! >_>

[Laeore]

Well, I'm a straight guy, so of course I don't mind eye candy, even virtual eye candy. /shrug

I wouldn't enjoy seeing a dude walking around in a store in nothing but a speedo either, but if he were out at the beach then I could at least give him the benefit of the doubt, but still not enjoy seeing him.

If you actually were a straight guy, then you'd see a guy in a speedo and there would be no reaction. It would be pure non-interest. Your revulsion indicates a fear that may be indicative of some necessary soul searching. Good luck with your sexuality, friend!

[Battlewrench]

If you actually were a straight guy, then you'd see a guy in a speedo and there would be no reaction. It would be pure non-interest. Your revulsion indicates a fear that may be indicative of some necessary soul searching. Good luck with your sexuality, friend!

Way to down someone for having an opinion! So he doesn't agree with you, get over it. You are just the same as the people who you claim are downing people for wanting it. Insulting those you don't agree with.

[Laeore]

Way to down someone for having an opinion! So he doesn't agree with you, get over it. You are just the same as the people who you claim are downing people for wanting it. Insulting those you don't agree with.

Woah now... enjoying or not enjoying male players in swimwear is not wrong, so I'm surely not "downing" him. I think I was just pointing out the sillyness of his argument that because he is straight, that male players should not express sexuality like female characters. Either his opinion is that male sexuality is terrifying to him, or that the world needs to cater to his preferences.

[Ecks007]

Woah now... enjoying or not enjoying male players in swimwear is not wrong, so I'm surely not "downing" him. I think I was just pointing out the sillyness of his argument that because he is straight, that male players should not express sexuality like female characters. Either his opinion is that male sexuality is terrifying to him, or that the world needs to cater to his preferences.

Well I'm not saying the dudes can't wear a speedo, I'm merely saying that personally I don't like seeing it. Not like that's going to change anything. /shrug Either way people are going to put what they want on their characters, I'll just deal with it. I'm not going to jump down their throats and stuff just because their wearing something I don't personally like. That would be silly.

[Teia]

Well I'm not saying the dudes can't wear a speedo, I'm merely saying that personally I don't like seeing it.

Here's the thing. "I don't like seeing this" is very often used as an argument for "it shouldn't exist." In essence, characters' options end where the feelings of one specific group begins. It's fine to say you don't like seeing something, but when it ever crosses the line into "others shouldn't be able to do this," as it so often does, then it becomes a deeply, frankly indefensibly selfish argument.

It's like back in the day when it was deeply socially unacceptable for women to wear pants, solely because men didn't like it. Or communities where men get ostracized by other men if they have long hair, for no reason other than "we the majority don't like it." Denying those people agency over their own presentation is never a good thing because their choices for others' comfort is not a fair trade. A little tolerance can go a long way.

[kyuven]

If you actually were a straight guy, then you'd see a guy in a speedo and there would be no reaction. It would be pure non-interest. Your revulsion indicates a fear that may be indicative of some necessary soul searching. Good luck with your sexuality, friend!

This isn't how sexuality works. Some people aren't just attracted to one gender and not attracted to another, they're actively reviled by one.
I for one get queasy whenever there's a naked man nearby regardless of age or body type in real life. Sometimes this effect transfers to games or other media, sometimes not. It depends.

[Laeore]

This isn't how sexuality works. Some people aren't just attracted to one gender and not attracted to another, they're actively reviled by one.
I for one get queasy whenever there's a naked man nearby regardless of age or body type in real life. Sometimes this effect transfers to games or other media, sometimes not. It depends.

Because you get reviled by one, doesn't mean it doesn't work that way. A lot of that is tied into the cultural reinforcement that exterior male sexuality somehow minimizes your own masculinity. Thats not a natural construct and is not present in every culture.