It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Dererk]

if 20/15% echo can't help, 25% won't help either.

So people just want a hand out in a game a mmo because they pay to play it even thou the content is there but they too lazy to learn or say it's too hard or got real life stuff going on?

Ok then lets put the echo at 1 No 50 no 9000% I bet people would still complain I'm pretty sure the mass majority of people don't even want this its unfair I find it that the probably 10 20% of people who don't want an easier story raids think they out weigh the people who don't I don't like to say this but if it's so important for them to see the story with their own character...

They don't care enough because then they'd gather Gil and buy clears from the trash known as clear sellers.
The easy story mode they want is there just gota pay millions of gil.

[Kuwagami]

Not what I meant, and I had a hard time to read you here...

So people just want a hand out in a game a mmo because they pay to play it even thou the content is there but they too lazy to learn or say it's too hard or got real life stuff going on?

Read a few posts earlier to see this isn't the only case. You really should stop the strawman here, you're only making a fool of yourself

Ok then lets put the echo at 1 No 50 no 9000% I bet people would still complain I'm pretty sure the mass majority of people don't even want this its unfair I find it that the probably 10 20% of people who don't want an easier story raids think they out weigh the people who don't I don't like to say this but if it's so important for them to see the story with their own character...

I didn't understand your point here. You may want to add some punctuation I think
That aside, you didn't understand what I wanted to say :
Echo is already here, and there is largely enough now to clear all the dps checks. If it doesn't help people now, adding more echo won't help. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself on the contrary.

[Dererk]

That's really all this thread is its asking for a hand out in not trying to do a straw man or what ever it is but people here are pretty much just saying the community sucks when it doesn't.

Why are you playing a game if you don't want a challenge this is an mmo there's a set difficulty to all things be it rng mechanics or just uhh i think that's all point is there is no Easter option no difficulty selected no pausing no hand outs the developers are this worlds gods and are free to set it how they like they will make adjustments as needed increase drop rates nerf mechanics after awhile give more buffs take away buffs.

Sure they will make mistakes here and there their people but this is a game end game is optional. Yes we pay to play I understand that every one deserves to see and do every thing but they need to do the work not sit and complain about it being too hard is there stuff I'd like to see sure do I want to see a whole story sure have I ever beaten a Final Fantasy game? No no I have not unless you count Final Fantasy tactics as one then yes but that's all really.

Point is stop complaining play the game get some learning in on the turns ask friends for help on the hard turns after you get experience in then you'll be able to see the story.

[Velhart]

I didn't understand your point here. You may want to add some punctuation I think
That aside, you didn't understand what I wanted to say :
Echo is already here, and there is largely enough now to clear all the dps checks. If it doesn't help people now, adding more echo won't help. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself on the contrary.

They have already gimped previous Coil turns. Turn 7, which was definitely the hardest turn of 2nd Coil to most people, is now a joke and can even be beaten in Duty Finder. The towers are less of a hassle in T8, and instant death mechanics in T6 were removed. It is an absolute joke to accomplish these turns even for the less experienced players.

[Magis]

They have already gimped previous Coil turns. Turn 7, which was definitely the hardest turn of 2nd Coil to most people, is now a joke and can even be beaten in Duty Finder. The towers are less of a hassle in T8, and instant death mechanics in T6 were removed. It is an absolute joke to accomplish these turns even for the less experienced players.

Mhm, all the teeth has been pulled. T7 you can get stoned over and over and still clear it. I haven't done the older coils (pre-T9) in a while post nerf, but now I recall how easy it was after echo and nerfs were introduced! This still doesn't take away the fact the story isn't hidden or "barred" like many posters keep saying thanks to YouTube. If their character being in the cutscene is so important, then earn that right. Heck, as another poster said, you could buy your run from casually farming gil, so if even at this point coil is too hard, there already is an alternative.

Happy Friday guys, please enjoy the weekend.


ps: A Small team coil mode might be harder then a 8 man mode. The idea is to give players more ways to try and complete Coils other then paying for runs or waiting a Q for 5 hours.

Anyways, see yea guys!

Too bad people (or certain posters at least) are complaining about coil being too hard not that they can't get a group. I'm all up for harder coils.

[Laraul]

Mhm, all the teeth has been pulled. T7 you can get stoned over and over and still clear it. I haven't done the older coils (pre-T9) in a while post nerf, but now I recall how easy it was after echo and nerfs were introduced!

It's pretty obvious you haven't done the other coils in a while. I'm guessing since FCOB came out if you think it's possible to be stoned over and over in turn 7. If the tank or healers get petrified, it's a wipe. Go do some pre-FCOB coil before making an ignoramus of yourself.

[Dererk]

People here keep saying they play Final Fantasy games for the story that's an important note but their not all easy are they? No they aren't but this is an mmo and your asking for a story node to coil when it all ready has a story,it all ready us in place,its been beaten by people. But your asking this now I don't know how long ago but your asking them to take time and money away to redo the whole thing so that there are 2 separate modes,yes this is what your asking and its what it would do.

The story for coil just ties the stuff together it you can't really have anything good with out having a story in some where.

This is my main and really only problem with what your asking for, there is not really enough end game stuff for right now besides coil and extream primals. If they do what your asking for right now it will take development time and money away from developing much more stuff at the moment no this is not a good idea. Perhaps one day you can have this but not yet.

Also you say that there won't be people interested in old content. Well when the expansion hits we will most likely be seeing a lot of new players so stop saying no one will be interested and let the developers put their time into outing out more stuff please.

[Kallera]

People here keep saying they play Final Fantasy games for the story that's an important note but their not all easy are they? No they aren't but this is an mmo and your asking for a story node to coil when it all ready has a story,it all ready us in place,its been beaten by people. But your asking this now I don't know how long ago but your asking them to take time and money away to redo the whole thing so that there are 2 separate modes,yes this is what your asking and its what it would do.

The story for coil just ties the stuff together it you can't really have anything good with out having a story in some where.

The equivalent would be going from jenova absolute to a back to back fight with ruby and emerald weapon.

[EdwinLi]

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Perhaps I was not clear enough in my explaination but I'm not talking short term interests in Coil but a long term interests in Coil. There will always be people interested in stuff like Coil but the amount of people interested in it may not be at the level as it is now due to being old content and currently the amount interested in coil is not a lot compared to the majority of FF14 population. As time pass the amount of people interests in it may only decrease over time even with a supply of new players it may not cover enough to supply enough groups for Coil at a regular amount of time.

Right now in 2.X era and 3.X era Coil may remain within the boundry of steady population of players entering it due to the constant supply of new players both casual and hardcore within the lvl 50 and soon to be lvl 60 range. However, long term wise the amount of people entering coil may most likely decrease since it will lose the value of repeating coil beyond vanity and Coil Storyline most likely near the end of 3.X era or 4.X era.

Coil was not designed to be sustained for a long term lifespan after all and only served to survive within a short term life span of 2.X and early 3.X era as endgame content.

[Magis]

It's pretty obvious you haven't done the other coils in a while. I'm guessing since FCOB came out if you think it's possible to be stoned over and over in turn 7. If the tank or healers get petrified, it's a wipe. Go do some pre-FCOB coil before making an ignoramus of yourself.

Guess what, I was doing pre-FCOB literally a week ago. Our static just cleared T9 after working at it for a month (2 days a week) and we are 2 days fresh into T10. Oh, you thought I was some super endgame raider? No, I just don't like content I am doing become worthless in terms of difficulty because someone wanted instant gratification. Thankfully we completed T6-T7 before the nerfs, and the mechanics weren't changed much with T8 and T9.

I did probably 6 T7 runs post nerf, and 4 T8 runs, one of which was with our static clearing it for the first time. Yes, from what I recall comparing T7 pre-nerf and T7 post-nerf, the fight was EXTREMELY nerfed to the point those runs were done in DF with complete strangers. Even NyarukoW, one of the big advocators of nerfing coil said it was "good enough" for them, and IIRC completed it in DF. We were literally laughing how nerfed the fight was when half the raid got petrified from a shriek and we recovered (again, with strangers on DF). People began stoning each other as a joke. Same with T6, people just ignored blighted bouquet cause they could take the hit.

Yes, T7 is extremely easy in comparison.

Go do some pre-FCOB coil before making an ignoramus of yourself.

Who says ignoramus?