It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Kinseykinz]

Semi-off topic

If people can't watch the cast bar and run in a small circle or straight line until the cast is done then they aren't going to have much better luck elsewhere. Seriously though this is a simple mechanic. Run in a straight line. Simpler than some actual Extreme primal mechanics. Why is this so hard for people?

I think why people have trouble with this battle specifically is 1. it's length and phase shifts, and 2. This is really the FIRST time in-game setting a 'focus target' is necessary...and quite simply, people don't understand how to do it/why. Now that's 100% on them, but considering how far they got in the game to reach the point of T5 and not needing/understanding how to set a 'Focus Target' there's also a 'hmmm devs' thing in there likely. I have helped many people get their first clears, telling them 'set focus target' only to get into the battle and have them wipe there and go 'what is focus target'....and then needing to explain how to do it.

Basically, I think some people are confused when told to 'focus target' they think it's an order...not a hud option (like they think they're being told to attack the monster, not keep the monster's hp bar up and to watch that bar for monster actions...like some DO set it, but don't get that they should be reading the monster's attacks on it). Also, I don't think they are understanding that they need to do this to watch the bar because they will likely be dpsing another mob at the time these twisters are happening (basically, they tunnel-vision).

Also, people don't put their focus target bars in 'smart' places on their screens (again their issue). But the bar naturally isn't close to anything you'd likely be looking at while battling in the hud. As a healer main, I moved my focus target bar right beside the tank's health bar in the party list....some DD's I know like to put it right near their targeted enemy health bar.

Now is this all the players fault. Yup. But this is why so many people screw up twisters...they simply aren't setting/using properly their 'focus target'....and this fight had enough going on for many people without it also being the introductory course to 'how to properly manage your Focus Target Bar/hud layout'.

Oh...and also by the time people get to this portion of the battle, they tend to be stressed from the prior phases (also a player problem).

Just take out Twisters instant death from T5 the rest are beatable just like any EX primal

But EX primals DO have instant-kill mechanics. And people whine about (most of them) less. Fall off the boat in Levi=insta kill. Over-DPS Iffy EX= insta Kill Don't DPS the bomb fast enough in Titan EX=Instakill (although maybe it can be out-geared now...been awhile), Don't zerg Moogle King Fast enough=instakill...as does not Esunaing/Leeching the debuffs in that battle. Kill Garuda's Plume too fast=insta kill etc....

The main reason people don't over-whine about most primal ex battles though is because:
Simply put, there's usually only 1-3 gimmicks in any given ex primal you need to handle/learn and then you're peachy-keen. Also, the progression you naturally take in the story/development doesn't 'surprise' you quite as much as the jump in turn difficulty can in BC. (IE T1-4 easy/peasy then T5 smacks you in the face with different phases/mechanics and a much different degree of difficulty).

[Velhart]

Whoever thinks Alexander(Normal) is going to be a walk in the park and free cutscenes are going to be very disappointed. Willing to bet a lot of groups are not even going to pass normal mode until a patch later. There is more factors to take in like having to learn mechanics, get proper gear since everyone will be a new lv.60 and will not start with the best gear possible to start these raids. Not to mention, if SE decides to change the dynamic of how fights go, it is a learning curve all over again. We also have new jobs that we may want to learn to utilize and people learning new rotations from added abilities to their job. I can keep going on, but no, you are not going to beat normal mode quickly, I can almost guarantee it.

[Kuwagami]

Whoever thinks Alexander(Normal) is going to be a walk in the park and free cutscenes are going to be very disappointed. Willing to bet a lot of groups are not even going to pass normal mode until a patch later. There is more factors to take in like having to learn mechanics, get proper gear since everyone will be a new lv.60 and will not start with the best gear possible to start these raids. Not to mention, if SE decides to change the dynamic of how fights go, it is a learning curve all over again. We also have new jobs that we may want to learn to utilize and people learning new rotations from added abilities to their job. I can keep going on, but no, you are not going to beat normal mode quickly, I can almost guarantee it.

and yet again, noone ever said that. But you can keep on believing that if it makes you feel better


a bit too hot-heated here on my part I guess

[Dererk]

I hear Alexander hard can't be done with out the gear from the normal so no way its gona be watch cs one shot walk out.

Oh crafted gear will be useless in the raid too SE is tired of people over melding and clearing it the first week.

[Velhart]

and yet again, noone ever said that. But you can keep on believing that if it makes you feel better

It was in continuing response to this:

The "story mode" will be as difficult as post echo coil. So no it wont be free cutscenes to everyone, no matter how terrible they play. Will still need to learn the fights and put in some effort to win it. Which, as proven, many won't.

Glad to see you are still fighting the good fight, however.

[Waffilicious]

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Yeah they do have instant kill attacks dmg wise which some can be survived later on because of gear, but twisters do 0 dmg they just kill you AND push people around you to the fire wall of stuned doom which makes it kind of annoying for experienced people trying to help just to be wiped by a newbie who didn't know how it worked and blew everyone to the wall.

As far as i've seen in all the ex primals non of the primals have such an easy to make a mistake and kill everyone type of mechanic, yeah ifrit might have the chain and nails but you can see and learn that fast enough, and garuda might have the spikey but you can teach that fast enough too, twisters are mines that pop below you and many people just don't know how to react with things they don't see pop with target areas. (yeah you tell them to move and they do but they stumble into another party member mine more often than not)

[KarstenS]

So basically, I don't understand why people are against a storymode version being released in tandum with the hardmode version considering that by doing so

Unlocking the story behind the encounters is one of my biggest motivation to raid at all. If it would be not longer needed to kill these "hard" encounters, I'm not shure I would continue to raid the "hard" versions or drop it.

[xagarelic]

I'm fine with any settings, just give me my cutscenes

[Sparktacus]

Whoever thinks Alexander(Normal) is going to be a walk in the park and free cutscenes are going to be very disappointed. Willing to bet a lot of groups are not even going to pass normal mode until a patch later. There is more factors to take in like having to learn mechanics, get proper gear since everyone will be a new lv.60 and will not start with the best gear possible to start these raids. Not to mention, if SE decides to change the dynamic of how fights go, it is a learning curve all over again. We also have new jobs that we may want to learn to utilize and people learning new rotations from added abilities to their job. I can keep going on, but no, you are not going to beat normal mode quickly, I can almost guarantee it.

Just had to add lol since it was downed within a few hours.

[Xensai]

a Few hours? it was down in less than 40mins