Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Orlandeu]

To make it cheaper stick with lvl 3 acc det crit materia. U will b avoiding lvl 4 matz which is the expensive one. I went with max 31/44 on my drg since I don't do coils anymore. There's alot of speculation come the 24th that our weapon will b ilvl 135 which I hope is true. Another rumors I've heared is that we get ilvl 130 now and come the end of March we get ilvl 135.

Handing out 135 Relic as early as 2.51 sounds doubtful. It will make the current raid weapons obsolete so early in this patch cycle. I've been wondering where all this speculation comes from.

[Miyu20]

Sorry but I just have a question as I have missed patch 2.45 when I read that they needed directional attacks for Dragoon but places on the forum, people are saying if Dragons don't move into position, that they are losing DPS. So are positions needed for Dragoon or not? Thank you!!

[Viridiana]

Sorry but I just have a question as I have missed patch 2.45 when I read that they needed directional attacks for Dragoon but places on the forum, people are saying if Dragons don't move into position, that they are losing DPS. So are positions needed for Dragoon or not? Thank you!!

They're not as critical as they used to be, but are still a smaller dps loss.

[Tex_Mex]

I'm concerned about gold, but my priority is to have a top weapon.

You answered your own question here. The highest DPS stat mix for your weapon is without a doubt, 44 crit and 31 det. There is a reason that crit and det materia are so expensive. It is because EVERYONE is trying to use it to get the best weapon possible. The i135 Longinus is expected to have something like 39 Det, 53 Crit if you max Crit Det during your melding (this is speculation of course) but those stats will make it definitely better than the DW spear. Plus, there is more than enough accuracy on current gear for T10-T13 so accuracy is not really needed on your weapon.

Me personally, I would do something like (31 Det - 22 Acc - 22Crit) only because it is MASSIVELY cheaper. And if you adjust your gear correctly, you can minimize the DPS loss from taking the extra accuracy. This setup also allows you to be more flexible with new gear that comes out, but it is not 100% optimal. Current available gear means that you will likely have to take some skill speed, but it will be minimal.

[Synestr]

In celebration of 500 pages in this cornerstone thread, I will be running my DRG once again! Let the love be rekindled...and many things meet the pointy end of my stick!

[siverstorm]

Handing out 135 Relic as early as 2.51 sounds doubtful. It will make the current raid weapons obsolete so early in this patch cycle. I've been wondering where all this speculation comes from.

That's what I've been saying too. People have been speculating it'll be 135 and some have apparently said that in one of the live letters they said 2.51 will be the last relic step before expac (which I never found a source for and don't believe because we still have an entire part two of 2.5 to go ~_~).

I'm concerned about gold, but my priority is to have a top weapon. I just don't feel like spending the money now and end up needing to re-spec the relic, and spend another big amount.

If you don't want to spend all the money on perfect stats but desire perfect stats then your only option is to spiritbond the materia yourself :P

If you have some way of making money, even if its a small consistent amount, you could just hold back on other purchases when possible and just save up until you can afford it. People who put unfavourable stats on their relic usually did it so they could start farming light asap and respec later. I'm assuming prices for materia are comparable between your server and mine and accuracy is cheap as balls.

But at the same time the people who did stuff like that did it because the next relic stage was a pure weapon upgrade for them too where in your case you have the DW spear. If I was in your spot I would sit back and either spend time making gil to go crit/det or spend time spiritbonding.

Plus if Reis and I are right and the relic isn't gonna be 135 next week then you're seriously in no rush :P

[Aiurily]

That's what I've been saying too. People have been speculating it'll be 135 and some have apparently said that in one of the live letters they said 2.51 will be the last relic step before expac (which I never found a source for and don't believe because we still have an entire part two of 2.5 to go ~_~).

"Patch 2.51 will be implemented before the release of Before the Fall part two. Patch 2.51 will introduce the Gold Saucer, which we’ll be showing a bit shortly. I believe some of you may have already completed your Zodiac weapons, but there is actually one more phase in the 2.0 series. "

from the 2.51 live letter thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...801-19-2015%29)

then directly in a famitsu interview (http://www.famitsu.com/news/201501/20069775.html)

──その前に、パッチ2.51でゾディアックウェポンのさらなる強化が可能になるわけですね。
吉田　パッチ2.51でゾディアックウェポンの“究極形”を完成させれば、『蒼天のイシュガルド』発売までは最強の状態が続くことになりますので、いろいろ活用していただければと思います。
──その“究極形”のアイテムレベルは……？
吉田　いつもどおりパッチノートまで公開できません。アイテムレベルはもちろんですが、“意思力特化”など、自分の好みに合わせて武器の強さを、ステータスを調整できるのがゾディアックウェポン最大のアドバンテージです。ほかの装備に合わせて調整していただければと思います。

tl from bg (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...ions-Patch-2.5)


Q: Anyway, before that happens, there will be some further strengthening of the Zodiac weapons in patch 2.51.
Y: If you complete the "ultimate form" of the Zodiac Weapon in patch 2.51, you'll have the strongest versions leading into the release of Heavensward, so I think you'll have an advantage.

Q: And the item level of the ultimate form is...?
Y: As usual, we can't say until we publish the patch notes. Of course, the item level is important, but the intention of the Zodiac Weapon is that players can tweak the parameters to their liking by adjusting the stats to take advantage of their preferences and suit the other equipment they have.

[siverstorm]

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Welp.

It'll probably be 135 then, else they'll risk scorning the non-raiders.

I still find it kinda silly to pump it out this early but ah well.

[Tex_Mex]

Am I the only person who believes that relic weapons should never be more powerful than raid weapons? I mean, the most difficult challenge in the game currently is completing T13. Completing your zodiac weapon might take a long time, but it is certainly not difficult, just long and drawn out. I would be ok if the weapons were equivalent to raid gear, but in this case (if they go to 135) they will just be flat out better due to higher stat allocation points. Seems like it kind of craps on the raiding community.

[Sleigh]

Am I the only person who believes that relic weapons should never be more powerful than raid weapons? I mean, the most difficult challenge in the game currently is completing T13. Completing your zodiac weapon might take a long time, but it is certainly not difficult, just long and drawn out. I would be ok if the weapons were equivalent to raid gear, but in this case (if they go to 135) they will just be flat out better due to higher stat allocation points. Seems like it kind of craps on the raiding community.

As someone who got i115 HA and i135 DW weapons long, long before Nexus or this upcoming i135 relic, I'd say, I'm okay with relics being the best weapons in the game. It's something for the class specialists to have over the people who "just" get their gear from coil, and it helps eliminate long-term RNG a bit - IE my group's MNK and BRD haven't seen DW claws or bow yet in something like 15 clears or so, so they've primed up their relics to get their deserved BiS weapons.

I mean, at the end of the day, we're talking about pennies on the dollar with them being better than DW weapons in a lot of cases. In a raid scenario going from DW weapon to relic i135 is just gonna raise your deeps by 5-10 DPS probably at best (much much less for the DRG DW > relic), and while I value that, I don't think it's something to get upset about if someone has access to that who isn't a raider ... besides, they've got nothing good to use it on anyway