Why are people rewarded for cheating?

[Faelandaea]

1. Those who have figured out how the XIV economy works, have made their millions, and are puzzled that others complain that the RMT bots are ruining the economy when the way to make REAL gil in this game involves no botting whatsoever.

This! And part of how the economy works is that you don't need all this Wal Street player bullshit to make Gil. I do not spend my Gil frivolously, I am not some super master craftsman (yes, that's the proper word. "crafter" is not a proper word), and I still manage to make a shit-ton of money without botting or RMT. I just SAVE all my Gil then when something REALLY needed comes along that I truely find rewarding to have, such as a house, I buy it. It's so damned easy to make Gil in this game that it's nuts. Just by playing the game normally, without even crafting, Gil just POURS into your pockets at an insane rate. Hell just the loot that I get from dungeons and those Allagan pieces you sell rake in at LEASt 5-10k for a few hours of game play. And you never have to deal with some silly Wal Street fantasy world to do it.

*Someone with 1 or 2 classes leveled/somewhat leveled and 0 gathering/crafting classes and millions to spend HAS, however, probably bought gil from RMT.

Completely incorrect. It is SO bloody easy to make Gil in this game just from . . . playing the game. And you DO NOT NEED THE MARKET BOARD TO MAKE MILLIONS, people! Wow. This is where you are all fucking up. Dealing with players. Just deal with the vendors. Their prices are steady, they are always friendly, and they give great customer service. Whatever you loot, whatever materia you get, just plop it to a vendor and they always smile and say thank you. The crap that my retainers have been bringing back to me as a result of their exploration missions (gearing them up helps a LOT with this) is worth TONS on the market, and even though the vendors pay me a fraction of what players do, I'd still rather the vendors get it because they can use it for far more constructive means than the players can.

[AzakaTonnerre]

... I am not some super master craftsman (yes, that's the proper word. "crafter" is not a proper word)...

From Oxford dictionary: Derivatives of craft. crafter (noun) Example sentences
‘In fact, they are a staggering triumvirate of imagery crafters.’

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us..._english/craft

Merriam Websters: Crafter: a person whose occupation requires skill with the hands <as a crafter of handmade bedsteads, he's about the best there is>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/crafter

Collins English Dictionary: a person who does craftwork

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dic...nglish/crafter

Free Dictionary: Noun 1. crafter - a creator of great skill in the manual arts; "the jewelry was made by internationally famous craftsmen"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/crafter

I could go on but really all you needed to do was google the word.

As for your post, I literally stopped reading your rant right there. If you're going to go on a rant and call people out, at least look in a dictionary before incorrectly criticizing them for using a widely accepted, proper word correctly.

[dioxideUniversa]

They are not okay with botting. I reported a bot at The Fury's Gaze who was spiritbonding constantly, and it was gone within a week.

I do think it's the most trivial thing ever to locate bots (giant clouds of multiboxing thaumaturges everywhere,) but just because there's a ton of them doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.

[Welsper59]

Speaking as someone who has used the occasional cheat program on certain MMO games years ago, it is pretty damn easy to get away with it. There are many reasons why this is, and most of them are probably not things you can really hold against SE/GMs for.

I don't know what restrictions and protocol GMs have here, but I'm gonna assume that they can only do the bare minimum. That being they can only check basic logs, this being things like log ins/outs, action time stamps, and chat logs. Short of them being there first-hand to witness an obvious cheat, I don't think they can do much else without further permission or advancing the ticket to their "Special Task Force", of whom may have advanced access to system and server data (such as data oddities from position hacks).

This all takes a lot of time to do in the grand scheme of things, since your one report is not the only report. Which leads in to the next potential reason, and that being not really paying the report much attention. Bots and "harmless" hack functions (such as position hacking for gathering) are not emergencies, nor are they priority over potentially criminal incidents that are being reported (harassment, threats, stalking, etc). It is entirely possible that the reviewing GM just has a bad day and ignores bot reports for the most part (extreme cases maybe not) before documenting the matter as closed on their CS server.

Then there's also the all too common situation where there is just not enough evidence to prove something. Bot and hack creators change things constantly to adapt to a game to avoid detection as best as possible. We don't know how data is being stored on the servers. For all we know, it could be piss poor information that requires more detective work to put the pieces together than it is something that shows X player has somehow gathered 4 items simultaneously from 1 swing and teleported to the next node instantly. If that were the case, imagine how difficult it is to prove a bot that isn't using hacks, is really a bot (without monitoring them individually live like some reporting players would).

It's just the unfortunate reality of things. Cheating will ALWAYS be around. It is literally impossible to prevent, in any aspect of life. The only thing anyone can do is try to minimize the problem and prevent it from getting out of hand.

[Dreufo]

I had an uncomfortable moment of realization as I started working on getting my Supra Tools.

A. Mastercraft materia is pain to get even with desynthing maxed out.
B. It's easier to save up for Mastercraft from the MB where they must be sold(mostly) by bots.
C. I'm feeding the gil sellers and that makes me sad...for a moment.

[tocsin]

I had an uncomfortable moment of realization as I started working on getting my Supra Tools.

A. Mastercraft materia is pain to get even with desynthing maxed out.
B. It's easier to save up for Mastercraft from the MB where they must be sold(mostly) by bots.
C. I'm feeding the gil sellers and that makes me sad...for a moment.

...huh?

1. desynth bridesmaid sandals. get fieldcraft 3, get spruce lumber.

2. buy aldgoat horns from kobold. make horn glue HQ.

3. use 52 second 2 button rotation to make spruce plywood HQ, using either hasty touch method, or if you are already geared, using 100% HQ rotation.

4. trade for artisan tool

5. desynth tool, have 20% chance at mastercrafts.

6 profit!

[Vlady]

These defenses against bots are ridiculous. You accuse people of calling out every farmer a bot when I am not advocating your witch hunts. This is a game and not real life. Games in mmos are presented with rules for even level play. If you support bots that is fine but the bull crap issue is those who follow the rules get screwed.

[KingJace]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/623-General

Just check out the actions taken against RMT. The numbers have gotten higher since the new year.

[Faelandaea]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/623-General

Just check out the actions taken against RMT. The numbers have gotten higher since the new year.

These kids don't want to see that. They want to pretend they are abused victims of . . . something . . . and somehow unable to play the game because they feel somehow blocked from doing what they are doing because they see something suspicious out of the corner of their eye.

A lot of the posts here remind me of one of those mall security guards that can't just do their job (which is walking around the mall getting an easy pay check) and feel like they have to throw on a Superman cape and feel special because they went into "hot pursuit" of the kid that DARED to skateboard along the sidewalk for a bit.

Trust me, do NOT show these people evidence that SE is doing something because you WILL ruin their pipe dreams. And if you ruin their pipe dreams then posts like this would cease and I would not be sitting here at work on my phone entertained

[KingJace]

These kids don't want to see that. They want to pretend they are abused victims of . . . something . . . and somehow unable to play the game because they feel somehow blocked from doing what they are doing because they see something suspicious out of the corner of their eye.

A lot of the posts here remind me of one of those mall security guards that can't just do their job (which is walking around the mall getting an easy pay check) and feel like they have to throw on a Superman cape and feel special because they went into "hot pursuit" of the kid that DARED to skateboard along the sidewalk for a bit.

Trust me, do NOT show these people evidence that SE is doing something because you WILL ruin their pipe dreams. And if you ruin their pipe dreams then posts like this would cease and I would not be sitting here at work on my phone entertained

Excellent.