Why are people rewarded for cheating?

[Dreufo]

I had an uncomfortable moment of realization as I started working on getting my Supra Tools.

A. Mastercraft materia is pain to get even with desynthing maxed out.
B. It's easier to save up for Mastercraft from the MB where they must be sold(mostly) by bots.
C. I'm feeding the gil sellers and that makes me sad...for a moment.

[tocsin]

I had an uncomfortable moment of realization as I started working on getting my Supra Tools.

A. Mastercraft materia is pain to get even with desynthing maxed out.
B. It's easier to save up for Mastercraft from the MB where they must be sold(mostly) by bots.
C. I'm feeding the gil sellers and that makes me sad...for a moment.

...huh?

1. desynth bridesmaid sandals. get fieldcraft 3, get spruce lumber.

2. buy aldgoat horns from kobold. make horn glue HQ.

3. use 52 second 2 button rotation to make spruce plywood HQ, using either hasty touch method, or if you are already geared, using 100% HQ rotation.

4. trade for artisan tool

5. desynth tool, have 20% chance at mastercrafts.

6 profit!

[Dreufo]

...huh?

1. desynth bridesmaid sandals. get fieldcraft 3, get spruce lumber.

2. buy aldgoat horns from kobold. make horn glue HQ.

3. use 52 second 2 button rotation to make spruce plywood HQ, using either hasty touch method, or if you are already geared, using 100% HQ rotation.

4. trade for artisan tool

5. desynth tool, have 20% chance at mastercrafts.

6 profit!

When I spend a couple hours getting enough for 10 artisan specs at a time and only one yields a Mastercraft materia three rounds in a row I just get really annoyed.

[tocsin]

When I spend a couple hours getting enough for 10 artisan specs at a time and only one yields a Mastercraft materia three rounds in a row I just get really annoyed.

well... yeah. artisan specs haven't been the way to get mastercrafts for two patches now. literally any other product is better than them. just like CUL and ALC are now the two weakest classes for getting mastercrafts.

assuming a .5 chance of spruce lumber from desynthing sandals, it should take 72-74 minutes per 4 artisan tools, which each have a 20% chance at 1-3 mastercrafts. averaged out over 400 or so runs, it comes out to around .57 mastercrafts per artisan tool. unless you are really unlucky, it shouldn't take more than an hour and a half to get each mastercraft, even if you aren't making them in bulk.

I appreciate this topic, though, and it actually has a point. lets make another thread for this, and let these people argue over nothing in the meantime.

sensible snip.

very true. good contribution.

Now of course someone will TRY to say to me "well I don't have time for . . . " And I will say bullshit, because I work 1 full time job, I have a business I run on the side, and I am going to college full time, and I still find the time to get everything I need in this game on my own WITHOUT relying on this so-called "game economy". This is why I vendor trash my materia, gear, etc that I do not need. I refuse to support cheating by others just buying what I went out and got on my own - oh wait - this sounds familiar - kind of like buying Gil . . . so, no I do not support either one. But I won't let me life be ruined by either one either.

speaking as someone for whom the game economy is my entire end game, and the only reason why I even play, this makes me sad. the economy is the whole reason this game is an MMO. if not, I could be talking to a whole bunch of NPC's in a single player game, and it would be exactly the same.

the economy is NOT cheating. its playing the game how it is supposed to be playing. Vendor trashing all your items may negate your need for the community, but you also aren't contributing to the MMO community by doing so. If you want to do that, go play some single player game, you will get as much out of it as this one, if not more so.

and equating using the market that is a foundation of the game itself to RMT buying... I just... I cant even come up with a legitimate retort to it. its telling us that your opinion is that people shouldn't play the game.

edit: I just checked, and you aren't a crafter. I can understand your opinion slightly more. a battle only player has a vastly reduced need for things like economy, or markets, or any type of community apart from linkshells. This game does a very good job of making sure that if someone doesn't want to use the market, they don't HAVE to, as long as they aren't looking to use the economy system at all. no making gil, no losing gil, no spending outside of vendor npc's. I'll bet you also cant afford a house either, though. that requires the economy.

[Faelandaea]

I'll bet you also cant afford a house either, though. that requires the economy.

Buying a house does require the economy. The vendors (that is economy, too, because they do buy your stuff) are just our choice of who we sell to. It might take longer, but I, as well as others I know, have our houses just from the Gil we saved up. My sweetie and I went in together on both of our houses. But in so doing we avoid completely all this bot business.

EDIT: Just to repeat again because I know I'll be accused . . . no . . . i am NOT defending Bots. This is a forum thread which simply makes it open to opinion and feedback from all points of view. I am simply giving mine on how I play and how gameplay affects me WITHOUT condoning or defending botting at all. The whole point of my initial postings was to remind that some players can still enjoy the game without cheating, and also without stressing about the cheaters. If ANY aspect of the game gets you to the point where you are not enjoying it,. simply switch games and be happy. That's the point of gaming - to have fun, right? And if enough players feel this way, they would all unsubscribe and move on, and then SE would see a loss of money, make some changes, and when those changes go public, you come back happy again. Everyone wins.

[tocsin]

reasonable snippet.

I can quite agree with that. I, as well, am quite happy with how the game works. It doesn't matter how many bots there are, or how many rmt tells I get. I can just ignore them all, and buy cheap shards. am I feeding the RMT market gil? probably. Do I care/ does it affect me? absolutely not! im getting my piece of the pie, and im happy with my piece. if someone got rid of all the bots, and made the whole pie smaller, I would get a smaller piece as well.

just play the game. the RMT people aren't actually hindering you, they just are annoying. ignore them, and you will be just fine.