Dear Ninjas

[Elazu]

The way this game has become a "Oh view a guide on how to play and stuff" is really sickening.

What's sickening are the people that share your attitude and how you drag down your whole team because you can't be bothered to play well.

[Eidolon]

Which I agree with mostly.. However, people seem to forget that Goad is also single target and has a cooldown. If you have a group with a majority of TP users, Goad has limited effectivess in comparison to a BRD who can buff everyone.

It's pretty hard to do this in FCOB at least, but yea in some lesser content it's easier. *edit-in, in reference to the idea of having 'more than two people who need Goad'*

In a full party / Raid of FCOB, you will have (at max) 3 TP users. Bard, Melee1, Melee2. Seeing as how you have a Ninja, you only have 2 partners - Bard and Melee 1.

This is why as a NIN, you run a cycle. At the start of the fight, use Goad on Melee #1. When it comes off cooldown, use it on the bard. This doesn't account for if your WAR/PLD burns his TP out, but extending these two classes like this is the most common method for Goad use.

[NinjaTaru72]

What's sickening are the people that share your attitude and how you drag down your whole team because you can't be bothered to play well.

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

[Elazu]

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

Read her/his other posts, especially the one clearly stating "I don't agree with people demanding that I do dps on a dps class". My previous post was not in regards to reading/watching guides but towards the attitude FallenArisen has shown in this thread.

[Luvbunny]

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

Look, watching youtube video and reading description of the fight mechanics is not gonna make you a GENIUS FANTASTIC player instantly - but knowing what to expect is better than going blind. Granted, if you are a player who are seasoned, it really does not take you very long to figure out the mechanic. BUT, sadly, the majority of US players, are not "well seasoned - highly trained - pay attention to telegraphed move". These are people who DO NOT read messages/information/tips/party chat - anything that the game + helpful players trying to point out. These are the players who respond to "stop telling me what to do + i play how i want + shut up + tank better + heal better"....

[Ashkendor]

Many people (myself included) don't learn from watching a damn guide. Some learn more when actually doing the fight. Who is honestly gonna sit there viewing and studying everything in the guide?

It's called having fun and learning. Who learns from a video

I don't learn very well from videos either. That doesn't mean I should completely forego watching them, though. I've found it's a lot better to watch them, get whatever you can from them (if only the names of the mechanics and to see generally what they do) then go into the fight and check it out. After you try for a bit, go back and watch the video again. It usually makes more sense. Going into something completely blind may be fun for you, but it's not fun to the rest of your party when they already have an idea of what's happening. I'm not really sure why people go into DF (or ninja into farm/clear parties) to learn rather than setting up a learning party anyway.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Fellow Ninjas, stop using Doton on single target pls.

[Songi]

Fellow Ninjas, stop using Doton on single target pls.

Sometimes it slips out when Mudra lag happens. Better than nothing...or a Rabbit Medium /shudders.

With that said, take your time when performing your hand signs, nothing worse than having a failed Ninjutsu twice in a row and losing Huton. Your dps isn't going to be ruined that badly as long as you're staying locked on and in auto-attack range of the boss for as long as possible.

[Anemone_Valesti]

Elazu you are rude as well as the individuals who you are targeting. You want to know what you two have in common ? Neither of you respect the play styles of others. This whole thread is filled of individuals jumping on your bandwagon of berating individuals of another group because the way they play don't sit well with the way you play which often enough results in a shit storm being formed. Sad thing is, there are ways known by yourself as well as most to avoid this. We all can't get along, but the least we can do is respect each other even if we don't agree with another's playstyle.

If you feel like you dont give two damns about putting out the best you can, or even SEEKING out putting the Best, then don't Party with people who are, out of consideration. That shit is fucking annoying...wiping because of it. People can say a its just a game for fun, but everyones idea of fun differs greatly, and for some of us it's breaking beyond the limit of the average to achieve a certain goal, whether it's T5, T9, T13, Alexander(I can see the Fuuuture), Satasha NM etc. The Joy you get when you down Coil Bosses that gate many people is so great, and then down the stuff more efficiently than before...Hot damn. That shouldn't be taken away by someone not willing to push themselves. Dont like watching Videos because you feel you shouldn't have to because the people first completing it didn't need a Video (Decribes my best friend -_-). Are you quick to pick up on things without the video ? Then by all means...but don't drag down 7 others because you're unwilling to think about others besides yourself...

If you feel like Seeing people make mistakes that you think they shouldn't, that doesn't sit well with you while you play, then don't put yourself in a situation that will most likely expose you to that. There are a Plethora of reasons as to why someone may be performing the way that they are, reasons of which are not revealed to us beyond the actions of our Characters during gameplay that may not be as simple as " U Lag ? Upgrade Comp " or " Gitgud ". I understand these things, and because I do and rather not ask a million questions like " Do you possess any medical condition that may prevent you from performing at your best ? Have you been in any accident recently that have damaged your limbs/Fingers ? Are you playing Console and unable to do many things with a Controller ? Do Titan or (Enter Boss Name) make you relive horrible events in your past that may make you incapable of completing the The task at hand...I form a Static or Party Finder with Specific requirements, seeking individuals with the similar mindset whether it's Maxing Performance or just having fun and learning. The Duty Finder is for "Everyone" But is also where you are likely to encounter the things you dislike as it is pulling from every server.

If you find yourself unable to deal with this and see yourself coming to the forums for the sole reason of masking negativity behind trying to advise others on how to play (Not respecting each others Playstyle) Then Just don't Duty find. There are other channels one can go through which produces better results. There are some things that I absolutely refuse to use Duty Finder for because I know there is a chance, however high that I will encounter the things that will annoy me. While I found some of the points funny and not taking them seriously...I'll be lying if I said I didn't think this thread was made with the intent to vent about a specific group of individuals, and I'll be lying if I said I didn't find the bandwagon to be dicks.

TL;DR
Both sides be considerate of the other.

[Elazu]

Snip.

"I can't be bothered to play well" does not deserve respect. Neither does "I play how I want, regardless of how detrimental it is to my fellow party members". And that is the main issue here, especially because a pretty big part of the playerbase seems to share this attitude and does not want to hear advice or use actual strategies for boss fights. They are content with and feel entitled to be a nuisance to the other players around them.

Also, why do we, as players who do their job and put an effort into clearing the duty, need to back down from using the duty finder?