Healers doing damage

[VanilleFang]

That makes no sense.

I think what he is trying to say that you can't be blamed for people dying if you don't heal them if they get hit by avoidable damage, so if you are DPSing and they die by that sort of damage then you weren't in the wrong. So... I believe he is saying that yes you can deal damage, but don't say that you can only deal damage if everyone is going to stay alive because it's not your responsibility to babysit people who can't dodge? I think... That's what I gathered from his posts anyway.

[braneri1]

It can be fantastic to DPS as a healer, I WHM on my character when I want to get into Crystal Tower runs or 4-man dungeons quickly. on the trash mobs just before the bosses in Syrcus especially, most people gather the mobs and burn them. I typically Stoneskin2 everyone before the pull, slap a divine seal medica 2 on everyone and join in with Holy spamming. It speeds up the kills as I am doing about 600DMG per holy to approx 7 mobs.

Then if I have another good healer in the boss fights I Stone2 spam until about half MP.

Keep aero and aero 2 up before spamming stone 2. In terms of single target potency, aero 2>aero>stone 2.

And yeah holy spam on the trash levels is really good. One time in st I had a friend check for me (I'm on PS4) and on the first trash level I did about 400 dps, and the second one (higher amount of targets with all those little bugs) I did about 700. I'd say that's pretty significant.

[Gallus]

Your FC are a bunch of casuals. I guess they are the same tanks that do 50 DPS in a boss and think their tanking is brutal because they haven't lost aggro on a single target.

"But my role is to tank lol!".

Here's the truth TC. If you can bring "40" onto the table as opposed to a healer just fulfilling their healing duties and bringing "30", there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't do so.

Why are you dpsing as a healer? Because I'm skilled enough to know in which phases or gaps of the boss I can DPS and in which ones I can't. Some people can't do it (bads) and others simply can't be bothered (lazyness). It's all about being optimal and bringing the most out of your job.

Basically ignore your FC.

[MythToken]

All of the top progression groups healers dps. A WHM just casually dpsing in a 10 min encounter is roughly = an LB3 in damage (just to put 1-2% damage in another way)

[Alistaire]

That makes no sense.

I could tell you the sky is blue because it's made of blueberries. Which would be funny until you went up there to try to eat some.

I think what he is trying to say that you can't be blamed for people dying if you don't heal them if they get hit by avoidable damage, so if you are DPSing and they die by that sort of damage then you weren't in the wrong. So... I believe he is saying that yes you can deal damage, but don't say that you can only deal damage if everyone is going to stay alive because it's not your responsibility to babysit people who can't dodge? I think... That's what I gathered from his posts anyway.

In that post I was just saying giving the wrong reasons for something you should do often causes other problems, and it's better to avoid it when possible.

In this case, "everyone should be allowed to do what they want; it's their 12.95" is a terrible motto for team play. It promotes people who just don't care to do things efficiently due to whatever reasons, making the work harder on everyone else and/or causing wipes. That applies to a whm who spams holy at the expense of keeping people alive as much as it applies to the ninja who won't aoe 6+ mob pulls "because they don't like death blossom". You can't defend those actions simply based on the fact you pay a subscription fee, because you've enlisted yourself in a team event and the other people there should have at least reasonable expectations of people carrying their own weight and being at least mildly knowledgeable about what's efficient and what's not.

[Moqi]

In this case, "everyone should be allowed to do what they want; it's their 12.95" is a terrible motto for team play. It promotes people who just don't care to do things efficiently due to whatever reasons, making the work harder on everyone else and/or causing wipes. That applies to a whm who spams holy at the expense of keeping people alive

Everyone told him exactly not to do that so... you're making a problem out of nothing.

[Alistaire]

No, I'm not. What you bolded is an example.

The point is if you know why something is true, in this case why and when healers should dps, go with those reasons instead of bad ones like "they should be able to do what they want cause they pay a subscription".

How is that hard to comprehend?

[Moqi]

The point is if you know why something is true, in this case why and when healers should dps, go with those reasons instead of bad ones like "they should be able to do what they want cause they pay a subscription".

And again, no one is saying that so I'm not sure why you're arguing against literally no one and giving examples of things not to say that no one has ever even hinted at. Eh, whatever. I'll leave you to your imaginary drama.

OP, let us know how the stance dance is going.

[liljramos88]

Dpsing as a healer is a must as long as you dont let anyone die you should be ok. I main WHM and I Stance Dance A lot. There are two things that bother me the most a healer that just wait to heal waisting time or a healer that over heals. The one place I don't stance dance its in the coils as I don't dare to lol am still learning the fight. Someone I dungeon with told me the same thing. You should only be healing and keeping there hp bar at 100 percent I told him no lol. I rather spend mp dps than over healing or healing when Hp is above 80%. My advice just do wat u like get a new FC.

[Cerick]

No, I'm not. What you bolded is an example.

The point is if you know why something is true, in this case why and when healers should dps, go with those reasons instead of bad ones like "they should be able to do what they want cause they pay a subscription".

How is that hard to comprehend?

I think you are going a little extreme on our comments. While I do appreciate and respect the point you are trying to make, you're taking our posts out of context. We posted in reply to the OP. Our context applies to "his" post. When I said he can do what he wants as long as he does his job, that is in context to what he posted. I added the majority of his point below:

Well, recently I changed main to WHM and I love it even more. Holy is a beast. And using it on big pulls while keeping the tank alive is an amazing experience.

Problem is: My FC doesn't agree with me

If he is doing his job then DPS away. Knowing when to dps and when not to dps seems to already be within his grasp..

I became a stance dancer, even put cleric stance on my 4th mouse button and learned the stance buffering. I thought I was the best healer ever. People rarely died and I was actually doing something other than spamming Physick.

Keeping in full heal mode will not fix stupid. If a dps can't dodge mechanics they are going to die and a healer cannot always save them. It is sad this topic that should have only been 1 page de-railed into many pages of nonsense. If I noticed this is the case, then obviously the "right" thing to do is to hold back a little on dps and keep an eye on this crazy dps or tank going forward.

Teamwork is just what you are saying, so let's have a reasonable expectation that the dps and tank knows what they are doing and I as a healer have the freedom to dps and heal as needed to help the group complete the task.