I think its time BRD get some loving

[Snugglebutt]

Unfortunately for you, you haven't posted any relevant reasons nor have you done any content that makes me believe that you can notice what the debuff does to your damage.

I have posted many relevant reasons throughout this thread and your feigned ignorance about whether I understand what the debuff actually does to my DPS output given my very reasonable, fairly extensive experience playing bard gives me reason to ignore you from now on if that is the level of discussion you are aiming for in your last comment.

EDIT: Since hit daily limit on posts I will leave this addition here.

You clearly know nothing that's noteworthy if you have to resort to falsely accusing someone playing ignorance card in a very hypocritical fashion.

I know how to play the class. I tend to get praised a lot for my competence on the class within the groups I have been a part of whether the groups are for 8-man content, 24-man content or 4-man content. Not a single person I have played with has complained about my ability to play the class and you have no basis for claiming I do not know how to play it outside of your own personal bias on the topic of whether or not you agree to bards benefiting from a change to the debuff. As for saying she/he feigned ignorance...that was either true, was trolling/baiting or she/he is incredibly naive. Read what the person said and apply some common sense instead of agreeing with the stupidity of the persons comment simply out of personal bias.

Just because you agree with his/her stance of bards not needing a buff does not mean his/her comment was not ignorant (whether purposefully so or not). Anyone who has played bard and has both reached the level of unlocking the skills applicable alongside making use of those skills many times of which I have in completion of half a dozen coils, completion of few EX trials and all 24-man raid content alongside every normal and hard mode dungeon a vast amount of times knows exactly how the debuff works, knows exactly how it impacts their DPS and just because I haven't had the free time to log in and do more coils does not mean I do not know a) how to play the class or b) not know how the debuff affects my DPS. To claim such is ignorant.

[alimdia]

So many people think removing debuff =/= buff.

GUYS ITS A BUFF.

If we removed the pacification 5s from beserk from warrior, its a buff.....

A buff doesnt only mean more potency etc etc.
If I remove negative side effects to something, its a buff.

The whole point is that songs are very strong, and therefore needs counterbalance (20% penalty for ballad,army)

[Haxetc]

given my very reasonable, fairly extensive experience playing bard gives me reason to ignore you from now on if that is the level of discussion you are aiming for in your last comment.

What extensive experience? WoD? You seem like a child who, when given a reason why they can't and shouldn't be given something, pouts and shuts out ppl who are the cause of them being upset. Just accept the debuff and BV the debuffed songs so you don't have to play them as long. It's pretty simple to get over.

[Ooshima]

People are asking bards to be 5% less dps then monks. With bard 100% dps upkeep and lining burst properly you will beat everyone else. You want more dps fine but when you move you should get a 30% dmg debuff for til you stand still for 3 seconds.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Git gud and learn3read please. People said FIVE WEAPON DAMAGE

NOT FIVE PERCENT HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry but to join the below persons to laugh at you.

rofl

/10char

...to all of that.

[SlyRoyale]

stuff

You clearly know nothing that's noteworthy if you have to resort to falsely accusing someone playing ignorance card in a very hypocritical fashion.

If you are complaining about their damage being low the issue lies within yourself and others like you. Know how to rotate your cooldowns, recognize when is the best time to play your resource songs, whether to prioritize one of them over Foe Requiem if absolutely necessary, making the most out of your auto-attacks with acute Barrage timings and making sure to face the target... In short: learn how to play the role instead of crying for a buff and trying to support your argument with hollow excuses.

BRDs are fine where they are. They don't need a buff, especially with Heavensward coming soon where we'll possibly see new utilities and a possible revamp of the game. Don't like it? Your aiming accessories go well with NINs right now. Don't play BRD if you want to deal more damage.

[DoubleD]

So I guess your NIN doing your goad isn't running out of tp himself. BRD is very vital to maximizing the capability as well as the room for error a party has. If you don't think BRD's can do similar numbers maybe you should look at some threads in other forums. Just as its necessary for a BRD to be in a party for melee/mage classes to maximize dps, it's only fair for a BRD to have a DRG. There are parses out there of BRD's doing 500dps in T13 and 530dps+ in T10-12. Just because parses of other jobs doing those numbers is more common doesn't mean BRD isn't also capable. Ppl just need to learn how to maximize their dps and not whine about it.

Bards doing that much DPS means everyone else is pretty bad.

[dejavutwo]

Bards doing that much DPS means everyone else is pretty bad.

How does a bard doing good dps in a run mean everyone else in the party was doing bad? Doing more damage doesn't magically make everyone perform worse. If anything, its more likely that everyone in the group was performing well and the bard was not having to sing paeon/ballad.

[SlyRoyale]

Bards doing that much DPS means everyone else is pretty bad.

But it doesn't. mfw reading your post:

[DoubleD]

How does a bard doing good dps in a run mean everyone else in the party was doing bad?

DPS is calculated with damage, boss HP, and fight time.

For a bard to do 500 in T13, the melee are probaly barely cracking 400, SCH not attacking much, and OT probally also using VIT accessories, and maybe has a SMN instead of BLM.

[Rekujin]

How to "fix bard"

-Give us a DPS limit break

-Reduce mana ticks for songs

-Keep the 20% damage reduction for Mana and TP songs... but reduce the damage penalty the longer it stays up. For example, Ballad originally starts with a 20% reduction to damage, after 10 seconds it drops to 15%, another 10 seconds it drops to 10% until it eventually caps out at 5% damage reduction.