Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Utsu]

Your not wondering why they want it, you know why people want it because many people have told you. Your actually choosing to ignore what people have told you, going in one ear and out the other. That is a choice your making to put your fingers in your ears metaphorically speaking.

Secondly given we established your only argument is on the optimization, challenging yourself and/or killing things faster, this logic is applicable to many other areas of the game which could benefit from i130 if the goal is to kill more efficiently with no difference between coil or other content. Killing faster in coil is no different than killing faster in WoD etc and both benefit from higher ilvl gear in exactly the same way. Such things are not limited to gear too for example EX trials, 24-man raids plus 4-man dungeons on top of 8-man coils each have that same additional self imposed challenging element from group composition, lowering your ilvl on purpose to challenge yourself, changing tactics or trying it with fewer people. If you truly wanted to challenge yourself and give yourself purpose beyond the clear alone then gear is just one element in that but all the elements are applicable to almost all other areas of this game.

Your whole argument is highly flawed in multiple ways to begin with...firstly raiders do not need ilvl130 anymore so than people in for example WoD or even grinding 4-man dungeons. Coil can be completed without i130, as can most other aspects of this game so your position is limited to just one thing and that one thing is killing things faster or challenging yourself with your own personal challenges on the content, everything else you said was pointless. Gear opens up more possibilities you claim but those possibilities are not limited or only applicable to coils, they are also for all other content in the same way. Clearing Titan EX for example faster is no different than clearing T10 faster, they are the same thing and both things benefit from better gear yet retain the challenge if your willing to use your imagination.

No, it's not about "challenge", it's just about "optimization" and "theorycrafting". Doing speedkills etc is like upgrading our skill and the coordination of all the members of the party. We could do it with less gear, but there is some details that changed with more stats.

More stats give fun for some ppl, I understood, but the potential of the best gear is more than that.

Yeah okay, best gear makes content easy, of course, but it shouldn't be designed for that as main reason, endgame gear should just be a tool for raiders who cleaned Coil to upgrade their skills and rosters potential.

That's just my opinion, and I'm not elitist because I don't care if you get the same gear as me, I'm just afraid of "giving everything to everyone whatever they want", "fun" seems to be a good reason for you, not for me.

If we do that on Coil that's because it won't be a "zerg" like doing a primal EX or something, Coil is more difficult and fight are longers, that's better for testing.

[Snugglebutt]

That's just my opinion, and I'm not elitist because I don't care if you get the same gear as me, I'm just afraid of "giving everything to everyone whatever they want", "fun" seems to be a good reason for you, not for me.

Clearly you do care else you would not be posting in here against the suggestion. Your actively trying to shoot down or shut down the suggestion because you care so much about it. What seems clear to me is your ignoring why people are telling you it should be opened up, the reasons they are giving you and your doing so because it damages your ego if others had ilvl130 but never got it the same way as you did whether they got ilvl130 through 24-man content or trials, even 4-man dungeons as opposed to 8-man content. there is only one reason why anyone would be against opening up where could obtain ilvl130 gear and that can be summed up in one word "Ego", nothing more and nothing less.