Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[StouterTaru]

Gear isn't skill, sure, but endgame gear give access to more possibilities, that's why I'm saying that i130 is/should be one key/tool for raiders, i130 gear is not really useful for other players, and I'm still wondering why they want it.

How is having more HP and doing more damage not useful to someone doing EX primals, the newest dungeons, and the CT runs?

[Sessurea]

How is having more HP and doing more damage not useful to someone doing EX primals, the newest dungeons, and the CT runs?

Shhh don't fight it with logic, we must let this one blossom......I think his LB is about charged too.....

[Utsu]

How is having more HP and doing more damage not useful to someone doing EX primals, the newest dungeons, and the CT runs?

i120 is enough to do that, and Echo will help. You're not really understanding what I'm saying about the best gear. The best gear offers more than stats, really more. I invite you to read my others posts.

Tl;dr : i130 gear is more than better stats, it gives access for "hardcore raiders" to more possibilities and theorycrafting to up their character and raid potential. There is tons of things you don't even imagine about PvE "HL". i130 is a tool for us, I don't care if non-raiders get it, I just want to know why they want it.

[StouterTaru]

i120 is enough to do that, and Echo will help. You're not really understanding what I'm saying about the best gear. The best gear offers more than stats, really more. I invite you to read my others posts.

I did read them, and you repeatedly said it was not useful and not needed for anything but top raiding. It is useful for other parts of the game, and it's not needed in any part of the game, period.

[FranSeara]

Sorry, you dont know this and you couldnt know. Here's why: Try beating Odin at item level 95 in Df (you won't win) Try beating Shiva Ex at item level 95 ( I'd love to see the vids of that fight!!!) Point being is not eveyone comes into fights at high item levels, some player will try fights at item level, you gotta overgear for that...trust me. Also, the gear in this patch is a JOKE. Non-Raiders and Non Hardcore players who want to clear stuff are going to need every bit of gear they can get. This argument is a Dead Duck in the water, leave it be. Raiders get the best gear first, everyone else waits. We've waited, now please just let US enjoy our leftovers, thank you very much.

Sorry left out the Quote. This is for Utsu, let us see you really challenge yourself. Clear things in DF alone without Your Super Coil friends or Super Coil gear.
Go ahead....

[alsims2007]

Sorry, you dont know this and you couldnt know. Here's why: Try beating Odin at item level 95 in Df (you won't win) Try beating Shiva Ex at item level 95 ( I'd love to see the vids of that fight!!!) Point being is not eveyone comes into fights at high item levels, some player will try fights at item level, you gotta overgear for that...trust me. Also, the gear in this patch is a JOKE. Non-Raiders and Non Hardcore players who want to clear stuff are going to need every bit of gear they can get. This argument is a Dead Duck in the water, leave it be. Raiders get the best gear first, everyone else waits. We've waited, now please just let US enjoy our leftovers, thank you very much.

If that's the minimum ilvl to get in then yes it can be completed even in duty finder. Have I tried those particular fights a minimum ilvl, no dont plan to either. Unlock, clear, never touch again unless helping friend or fc member. That's how I've done all trials. I've went into onlder coils at min ilvl (on an alt) and still managed to come out near the top of dps (if not the top) with ridiculously over geared players. The ilvl requirement is not the ilvl requirement needed to beat content. Example T9: was beaten in i90 pre echo and now you cant even enter without being i105. So yes a good player can enter at minimum ilvl and clear. Ilvl requirement and echo is so non raider can be closer to raiders skill.
Also only job I dont recommend being at min ilvl is tanks. Good luck at i95 while everyone else is getting close to i130