Ranged DPS dominating Slaughter Mode

[Houston009]

It's painfully clear that you don't know how vital swiftcast is to mages. I got hurt pretty bad every match until I leveled Thaumaturge. And please don't argue that a DoT spec has absurdly high burst and question someone else's PvP experience.

Before SMN can do that burst, they need apply all dots on their target at first and they need all aetherflow stacks. If you want good sustained damage, you will bane dots around and not fester all of the time. Yesterday some blm crit 2k with fire and 2.8k with firestarter proc(with some buffs ofc). Difference between blm burst and smn burst is that they need build their damage before they can do it and SMN have really long cooldown on those skills unlike BLM live with procs.

The fact of the matter is that it exist.

Here let me break it down how well their burst is, (DoT tick for 70-110pot somewhere in there ) + Ruin II (80pot) + Energy Drain (150pot) + Fester (300pot) + Enkindle (Garuda Rouse + Spur; 360pet pot) + Aetheric burst (170pot) + Wither (170pot) + energy Drain (150pot) + Ruin II (80pot) there is your burst in a span of 2.5-3seconds. Only need the dots for the fester. The more you know. Luckily we can have 3 Aetherflow stacks on reserve whilst 3 stacks are already up, smh.

It's a decoy to pull the party into a cluster. If you shout "grenade" and throw a grenade, people run away. If you shout "free ice cream" and have a guy handing out ice cream, people group up.

Umm, what? Why would a party run into a cluster because a melee randomly ran into a group to LB? Rather that random melee wasn't even part of the Premade, and just an actual random LBing a random person.

It's not like I'm just going to give you instructions on how to kill me. I have a little more respect for my fellow WHM's. Take your time and learn how to play like everyone else.

9 times out of 10 I die to a melee LB. Caster damage is easily healed through. But once in a while I screw up and get caught up the giant noob cometeor cluster.

LOL, you are telling me to learn how to play yet you are dying to a melee LB 9 out of 10 times, I rarely ever die to a melee LB on my WHM (No VIT accessories/spec). How many times do I have to tell you that the caster adrenaline itself is fine, its STACKING them.

[StouterTaru]

Umm, what? Why would a party run into a cluster because a melee randomly ran into a group to LB? Rather that random melee wasn't even part of the Premade, and just an actual random LBing a random person.

Some people in PvP attack the person wailing on their healer.

I realize most just put on the blinders and charge ahead, only to bitch when they don't get healed, but some people actually work as a team in PvP.

[Houston009]

Some people in PvP attack the person wailing on their healer.

I realize most just put on the blinders and charge ahead, only to bitch when they don't get healed, but some people actually work as a team in PvP.

So they run into a cluster to do that, even though they have Ranged who can handle the melee themselves?

[StouterTaru]

So they run into a cluster to do that, even though they have Ranged who can handle the melee themselves?

People see bad guy in their area, beating on their healer, they (melee and tanks) swarm to the bad guy. You can say "Nuh uh, that's stupid" all you want, it doesn't make it not true.

With Succor/Medica II/Apoc/E4E and maybe even a stoneskin, that monk that shoulder tackled in isn't going to get blown up by 4 ranged dps; the healer has a better shot of taking him down with a knockback.

[Houston009]

People see bad guy in their area, beating on their healer, they (melee and tanks) swarm to the bad guy. You can say "Nuh uh, that's stupid" all you want, it doesn't make it not true.

With Succor/Medica II/Apoc/E4E and maybe even a stoneskin, that monk that shoulder tackled in isn't going to get blown up by 4 ranged dps; the healer has a better shot of taking him down with a knockback.

So the same incompetence that would have gotten killed by the Cometeor spams anyway, are getting baited to someone to get killed anyway?

Sure, he won't die to 4 bad ranged dps. And only 4 Range?

[Red_Wolf]

Here let me break it down how well their burst is, Ruin II (80pot) + Energy Drain (150pot) + Fester (300pot) + Enkindle (Garuda; 360pet pot) + Aetheric burst (170pot) + Wither (170pot) + energy Drain (150pot) + Ruin II (80pot) there is your burst. Only need the dots for the fester. The more you know. Luckily we can have 3 Aetherflow stacks on reserve whilst 3 stacks are already up, smh.

What you are completely missing is that is not a burst. There are several builders and you can see them all coming. When you call something a "burst" spec in PvP it generally means an Assassin type melee spec or a Pyromancer/Direct Damage mage. A one trick pony that needs 2 buttons to play. A glass cannon. Not a Pet Spec that requires 3 GCDs worth of DoTs. In other words... cleanse.

LOL, you are telling me to learn how to play yet you are dying to a melee LB 9 out of 10 times, I rarely ever die to a melee LB on my WHM (No VIT accessories/spec). How many times do I have to tell you that the caster adrenaline itself is fine, its STACKING them.

Sorry I meant to say, if I die then 9 out of 10... Stacking cometeors requires everyone to be in a cluster. A couple of us are trying to explain to you how this works. How teams are baited into it. It's not so much coordination as it is beating up on a weaker backpedaling team. It generally happens when everyone stacks on top of the ramp right? In other words... spread out.

[Houston009]

What you are completely missing is that is not a burst. There are several builders and you can see them all coming. When you call something a "burst" spec in PvP it generally means an Assassin type melee spec or a Pyromancer/Direct Damage mage. A one trick pony that needs 2 buttons to play. A glass cannon. Not a Pet Spec that requires 3 GCDs worth of DoTs. In other words... cleanse.

And yet again Reapply, its not hard. I never called it a burst spec, all I said is that they have a very strong burst.

Sorry I meant to say, if I die then 9 out of 10... Stacking cometeors requires everyone to be in a cluster. A couple of us are trying to explain to you how this works. How teams are baited into it. It's not so much coordination as it is beating up on a weaker backpedaling team. It generally happens when everyone stacks on top of the ramp right? In other words... spread out.

Someone getting Melee LB'd doesn't make everyone scramble together, rather it makes them spread from them hoping to cancel it with distance. The LB spam happens in the middle, only on the ramp after the first wave of players were wiped out trying to be in range to hit middle node. I have not gotten killed by the 5-6 cometeor spams on my alliance since the first time I got hit by it. I'm well aware that spreading helps alleviate the problem at hand, yet PMs are still getting 10+ points from one Cometeor spam. 8v8v8 is far more balanced than 24v24v24.