there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[TAS]

True Strikes. A while back I got booted from a DF pt I qued in with a RL family member. I'm on a laptop, he's on PC and we're in the same room. It was his first time back in a while and he was a healer so I was jokingly giving him a hard time.

Said nothing in party chat until the last room before final boss we're the party wiped, caused by him, and I typed " What a noob " as a joke. The Tank and the other dps immediately dismissed me without a word. I look at my family member's chatlog and the Tank calls me an ass and dps called me a jerk. Completely blew me away.

They didn't even bother to say anything to me before they booted me :/

[Ooshima]

Compared to a BLM the dps is a pretty low, if a Whm is able to out dps the 2 dedicated dps with holy alone then something is wrong with that 2 dps. And if your measuring dps by the aggro chart do not forget stuns and healing also contribute to aggro.
it also costs 500+ mp per use bare that in mind, sure you can spam it but most people are not that confident to burn mp like that and still keep a tank alive. Still no need to whine about it on the forums because someone has a more heal focused healing style and is not confident in spamming holy.

Your profile says main class CNJ and you didn't know that WHM Holy > Nomral BLM AoE rotation?

Holy is 200 Potency spell. A pack of mob is 3, so it is effective 600 potency per cast, and 3 casts of Holy is 1,800 Potency

A BLM's Flare Rotation is Fire III => Fire II => Fire II => Flare. Fire II is 100 Potency so that is 300 Potency per cast, Flare is 260 Potency so that makes it 780 Potency per cast in a pack of 3. Total Potency in AoE: 300 + 300 + 780 = 1,380

If your BLM is unable to double flare (due to Convert/Pots on CD) then your WHM's Holy spam would yield more AoE DPS.

You mentioned about toggling between Cleric Stance and that takes 5s etc, that's a non issue. Just Divine Seal (if avail) => Regen => Cure II => Cleric Stance => 3x Holy (which buys you 6-7s of Stun and 0 incoming damage) => Continue to Holy spam or off Cleric and heal if you don't have a BLM/Tank sucks and need healing

[Stihllodeing]

The WHM in Cleric Stance spamming Holy has more AoE potency than a BLM doing a good Flare rotation.

There are a couple of WHM I know who basically don't waste time and effort healing me during trash pulls in the 4-mans. They just Holy spam until the pack is dead, in the incredibly uncommon possibility that my HP gets critical before the pack is dead, he just throws Benediction on me and resumes Holy spamming. Bene is usually back up again before I need another heal in the dungeon, that's how fast the trash packs die. They die before they can kill me from 100% HP to dead with no heals.

That's because you're over gearing the content.

Your profile says main class CNJ and you didn't know that WHM Holy > Nomral BLM AoE rotation?

Holy is 200 Potency spell. A pack of mob is 3, so it is effective 600 potency per cast, and 3 casts of Holy is 1,800 Potency

A BLM's Flare Rotation is Fire III => Fire II => Fire II => Flare. Fire II is 100 Potency so that is 300 Potency per cast, Flare is 260 Potency so that makes it 780 Potency per cast in a pack of 3. Total Potency in AoE: 300 + 300 + 780 = 1,380

If your BLM is unable to double flare (due to Convert/Pots on CD) then your WHM's Holy spam would yield more AoE DPS.

You mentioned about toggling between Cleric Stance and that takes 5s etc, that's a non issue. Just Divine Seal (if avail) => Regen => Cure II => Cleric Stance => 3x Holy (which buys you 6-7s of Stun and 0 incoming damage) => Continue to Holy spam or off Cleric and heal if you don't have a BLM/Tank sucks and need healing

You mean PPS. Potency =/= damage.

[ScarletDawn]

Your profile says main class CNJ and you didn't know that WHM Holy > Nomral BLM AoE rotation?

Going off potency alone does not give true damage values, my Whm has a lot more magic damage compared to my blm yet my blm will hit about the same with a fire 2 as i do with holy and flare hits 4x harder with crits. So a blm at the same Ilvl as my WHM should out dps me spamming holy.
Raging stikes also gives them 20% more damage, the only good thing about holy is the stackable aoe stuns.


Anyways this discussion is not about holy spamming, but about the OP crying over someone not doing as he said and then making a thread labeled there are lots of sensitive people in this game based on 2 people...the OP is elitist easy to tell.

Also you cant pick jobs as a main class on the forum, yours says Archers for example.

[Ooshima]

You mean PPS. Potency =/= damage.

You get the idea. A good WHM holy spamming, I don't even need to double flare (yes we are overgearred for dungeons anyways).

Going off potency alone does not give true damage values, my Whm has a lot more magic damage compared to my blm yet my blm will hit about the same with a fire 2 as i do with holy and flare hits 4x harder with crits. So a blm at the same Ilvl as my WHM should out dps me spamming holy.
Raging stikes also gives them 20% more damage, the only good thing about holy is the stackable aoe stuns.

Which I already covered earlier, I was comparing Holy spam damage VS non RS Flare rotation. Your BLM's RS isn't a perma buff. And if you are taking into account of Flare crits, yes it will hit so much harder but at the same time, your WHM's Holy crits for over 1k damage a hit which you shouldn't under estimate either.

WHM's output is more consistent while BLM will depend if that Flare crits or not. If your first Flare rotation doesn't deal enough damage because things doesn't crit then you will need to go into UI3, wasting the time on MP regen and do a damned Flare rotation again (if you can't double flare as things are on CD). With a similarly geared WHM, screw the 2nd Flare rotation need.

Anyways this discussion is not about holy spamming, but about the OP crying over someone not doing as he said and then making a thread labeled there are lots of sensitive people in this game based on 2 people...the OP is elitist easy to tell.

Anyways, prob just differing opinion. On one hand people thinks OP is elitist as he feels that WHM should DPS. On the other hand, people complains about SCH AFK follow the tank on low level dungeons. So well...

[allecs]

There really is A LOT of sensitive people in this game. I noticed it at the start of the game and seems to only be getting worst...
"Don't use dps parsers to tell me I don't know my rotation! I can push any button I want! Go back to WoW you elitist pig!"
"Don't suggest I should dodge the aoes, I play how I want elitist scum!"
"Don't tell me I should use another skill besides my DoT, I play how I want. Elitist jerk."
"Don't tell me to use shield oath, I play how I want you elitist jerk"
"Heal? I pay 15 dollars a month to play how I want!"
This is an mmo, you can't play how you "want" when you're playing with other people trying to accomplish something. As someone who mains healer in almost every game I play, any healer just standing around when heals aren't needed is a bad healer.

[Kyutaru]

Actually, they can. They pay the same as you, its not in the TOS that the game must be played a specific way. The person with a choice to make is you. There are countless other players to group with and this is just a game, play to have fun and not get so upset if some "bad healer just RUINED my run!". If you don't like the way someone is playing, you are never in the right to tell them how to play. You can offer advice, and you WILL receive those responses, but that's all you can do. There is no manual saying your advice is the One True Method, kind of like how people complain when a tank isn't tanking Garuda in the CORRECT spot. Those people are indeed elitests so used to a certain way that is "common" that any deviance from the norm is met with hostility. Just like people do in real life to those who are different (race, sexuality, etc). Never should we think that we have the right to tell someone they're doing it wrong. We may offer help on how they can possibly improve.

[allecs]

Actually, they can. They pay the same as you, its not in the TOS that the game must be played a specific way. The person with a choice to make is you. There are countless other players to group with and this is just a game, play to have fun and not get so upset if some "bad healer just RUINED my run!". If you don't like the way someone is playing, you are never in the right to tell them how to play. You can offer advice, and you WILL receive those responses, but that's all you can do. There is no manual saying your advice is the One True Method, kind of like how people complain when a tank isn't tanking Garuda in the CORRECT spot. Those people are indeed elitests so used to a certain way that is "common" that any deviance from the norm is met with hostility. Just like people do in real life to those who are different (race, sexuality, etc). Never should we think that we have the right to tell someone they're doing it wrong. We may offer help on how they can possibly improve.

So if the healer is only dpsing, no one should say anything?
If the DPS is spamming a heal that's only healing people for like 20 hp instead of dpsing, no one should say anything?
If the tank is just spamming emotes instead of taunt...we should just let that be right? Because there's no certain way to play...

That logic only works with single player games. When you play with other people there are rules. Classes are meant to be played a certain way, dungeons are meant to be done a certain way. Or else no one would get anywhere....ever...

[Kyutaru]

So if the healer is only dpsing, no one should say anything? ... plus more redundant crap...

Please read what I wrote... I did say you can offer a suggestion. If the healer is only dpsing, and you don't think you're going to make much progress in the content with him doing that, and he's refusing to do otherwise, kindly thank him for the group and make your exit. Find someone else to play with who better fits your standards of what a healer should be doing.

Your so-called rules are terribly defined, and while you may think they're easy in such extreme scenarios, you use them to support claims in less obvious situations. Some parties have their tank pull half the content before stopping to let the DPS AOE everything down, while others prefer the slow crawl or handling one pull at a time. Requests CAN be made, if not met, you are WELCOME TO LEAVE!

[MeiUshu]

you suggest they leave? you joking right ? they will just kick that healer that doesnt play how others want him to play..soo much easier...how can you even suggest that someone leaves if not in agreement? you must be crazy !! (Ironie here sorry couldnt resist)

Mei