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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Sure, you could complete content without secondaries, but why would anyone want to? Just because you could do it doesn't mean that it would be advisable or equally efficient.

    People who don't care about min/maxing can continue not to care about secondaries; however, there are actually moments in progression content where a little more DET or CRT sprinkled amongst the party, including the healers, could have turned an oh-so-close wipe into a clear.
    That's not quite what I was saying. I'm not saying that people should run around without Secondaries. I was using that phrasing to illustrate why the most common answer to the question of healer secondaries is "personal preference". It's because it doesn't matter one iota what combination of secondaries you chose; everything's going to be just fine. Or, rather, it'll be a player mistake that causes a wipe, not a few stat points.

    Some people will want to make their cures hit for as high as possible. Some people will want to be crit machines. Some people want the comfort of the lowest possible cast times. Some people will want a balance. It's all just personal preference, maxing out the element of the class that they deem most important, if they choose one at all.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Exactly. Secondaries on a healer are literally meaningless.
    Please don't ever play a scholar.

    A scholar without crit is super meh.
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    Oh, I kinda said in the OP that "NOT going to be playing it in Final Coil (BLM)." ^^;

    My WHM is purely for Dungeons and Primals haha. I figured the Spell Speed would help me chain cast to keep the Tanks up during them e-peen pulls haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline View Post
    Oh, I kinda said in the OP that "NOT going to be playing it in Final Coil (BLM)." ^^;

    My WHM is purely for Dungeons and Primals haha. I figured the Spell Speed would help me chain cast to keep the Tanks up during them e-peen pulls haha
    Oh, it absolutely will. It'll also make Holy less of a hassle to cast, and everyone likes Holy!

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Please don't ever play a scholar.

    A scholar without crit is super meh.
    Oh, I'm sorry. Scholar is the healer class I prefer.

    You see, stacking Crit on a Scholar is like stacking Parry on a Tank. I speak here solely in reference to Adloquium. While a crit does make the Succor shield better, it's not likely to make any significant difference in anything. If an Adlo crits, you'll get a nice fuzzy feeling, just like if you clench everything and then Parry the tank buster.

    However, it's RNG. No matter how much you stack that stat, it's still RNG. Remember o'l Murphy. You're gonna be throwing Adlo Crits left and right and everywhere... except when you actually need one. In that situation, Murphy will smile at you, wink, and then moon you. Immediately followed by the Tank dying.

    Because it's impossible to guarantee that the next Adlo will crit, it's necessary to plan your next few moves as if it won't. You're free to change the plan if it does crit, but you're still going to succeed if it doesn't by planning around the worst case.

    Now, a case can be made for the Scholar's other heals. Because their heals are, on average, less potent than a WHM, crits are relatively happy things in general for them. A Crit Physick is Cure II. A Crit Embrace gives you Spell Speed for a while, but not really enough to make a huge difference and it'll never come at a time when it would actually turn the tides. It all helps. Even still, RNG. It can't be relied upon.

    Now, this doesn't change the fact that Crit is by and far the best stat for a Scholar to stack. It's just that crits will always be unreliable and sufficient skill and primary stats will eventually render it unnecessary. Just like with Det and SS, proper play circumvents any need for the stat at all. It's just a bonus. Even so, giant Adlo shields will never get old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Piety's not a Secondary. I would argue that it is a full on Primary Stat. I didn't factor it into that statement.
    Until they add Piety to every single piece of casting gear in the game (of level to have it) and consequently remove it as an option in relic customization, it's a secondary stat. Just an odd one that you can dump a free +30 into as you level up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    E.g. You know when Prey is about to go out if you pay attention to the fight in T10. The only thing more SPSD gives you is a fraction of a second longer to dislodge your thumb from your ass and attend to the mechanic that shouldn't have been any surprise to begin with.
    Oh i'm sorry we aren't all self-centered elitists like you, Go back to shouting at people in dungeons for soulbinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind View Post
    Oh i'm sorry we aren't all self-centered elitists like you, Go back to shouting at people in dungeons for soulbinding.

    It's called planning, which scrubby healers don't do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    It's because it doesn't matter one iota what combination of secondaries you chose; everything's going to be just fine. Or, rather, it'll be a player mistake that causes a wipe, not a few stat points.
    Perfectly said. If you are relying on those 100 more HP per heals of Det, or 0.04 seconds less of cast time from Spell Speed you're doing it wrong anyway. The difference is so minimal that most (if not all) talk is just circle jerking theorycraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    It's called planning, which scrubby healers don't do
    Good job I ain't one then eh.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReLGCvFWv5o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind View Post
    Oh i'm sorry we aren't all self-centered elitists like you, Go back to shouting at people in dungeons for soulbinding.

    I would comment more, but that reaction is so absurd and disproportionately outraged that it kind of speaks for itself without any highlights or embellishment on my part.
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