I think its time BRD get some loving

[Atomnium]

No. Bard doesn't need a buff.

As a main SMN since 2.0 and also playing BRD as my secondary job, it's very difficult for me to see a minority of people complaining about BRD role and/or its dps in this thread...
BRD is fine for the moment.
I really tried to stay quiet and silent but I guess we can't argue against their blindness. BRD Balance is OK, it provide a very decent dps while supporting your team with songs and BRD itself is mandatory for almost all contents...
Meanwhile SMN is slowly dying .

Why was War revamped? Because in First Coil, warrior slacked on defensive cooldowns and died where a paladin survive or had more abilities to prevent damage.

Why was the blm was buffed? For Second Coil.

Why was BRD nerfed? First Coil

Sound elitist, but it is. The content is based on high end.

So why SMN didn't got buffed yet, it would had been helpful during the many weeks of training on Bahamut as the only caster of my team... Yes it's possible to beat fcob as SMN but my sanity got damaged a little bit in the process.

Bard is fine. Last week in T10 our casters did 455 dps and I had 427. That's not very far behind. And considering bard is pretty easy as far as rotation goes, along with being able to prance around all day pew-pewing, we're fine. Really.

Poor Summoners need some love, not bard.

Can't get the same love that other jobs did got for endgame I guess, it's sad. And according to Yoshi-P words, they do know that SMN is in trouble but ask people to be patients :x Also, no words of a possible "when".

source : http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/991/991969/
translation from here.

I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer.

And it's the reason why I will probably retire my SMN completely at 3.0 if nothing is done any time soon, the warning since t8 from scob and then all fcob turns were enough.
I did beat all coils as SMN but it seems to be a difficult job to adjust for DEVs when it have issues. It's not really reassuring for future, beyond 3.0.

If you guys ever want to support SMN, feel free to send a bump and a kiss there :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...N-s-need-help!

[rappa]

Summoner as bard suffer the same stigma (Skill speed/spell speed). Checking the gear, that stat is useless because drain all your resourses fast than you can recover. A bard without TP have to play paeon also theirs partners don't need it. A summoner has to use energy drain over fester because he can't demand manasong for himself.

Summoner need more love than bard now, but that not remove the future problem with bards. Maybe heavensward fix it or make worse.

[Ooshima]

If they increases bards dps to be on par with other dps, then they will just increase the damage needed to complete the encounter.

Whenever someone comes in to a BRD thread saying that people who proposes a slight tweak to BRDs is asking BRDs to be on par with melee DPS, I feel the need to ask SE to include a cross server (/slap) emote.

Most BRDs would probably agree that balancing the WD back the the appropriate gap with the other physical DPS jobs would suffice and maintain the same gap moving forward. The only problem we see is that every major patch, the physical DPS WD are gaining +1 gap over BRD. It was +4 in BCoB and right now it is +6 difference in FCoB. A +1 back to the WD would suffice.

[rappa]

I used to raid as DRG for a year up until FCoB when I switched to BRD. It's a lot easier to maintain striking dummy dps on BRD than it is on DRG. BARDS DON'T NEED A BUFF. There are just a lot of poorly played Bards and they need to get better at knowing how to maintain dps while also playing songs, etc. Don't pop your buffs if you have a song up nerfing your damage. Don't leave songs up unnecessarily long. Work with your raid members to minimize the usage of songs as much as possible. Whining to SE for a buff to a class that's, imo, already overpowered, is not going to solve your inability to play your job.

Wait, are you saying bards have to manage CD's, learn when they have to play song and the duration? Then Bards are a faceroll job or not? Because i am doubting now.

When you did all that, when manage your songs to play only the necessary time and the exact moment when are required. When you force your job to the limit, is when you discover you are two steps behind others dps jobs.

i think, a few person here talking we killed several times turn 13, we know how mechanics are working, how control our job and our playstyle. We are not facerolling CT3 o primals

[Kiyyto]

Look,
I don't usually come in last with my i115 brd, but yea... A little bump in the dmg wouldn't bother anyone

[Sessurea]

With the obviously very deliberate decision to scale back the weapon damage, se don't want bards damage increasing any more than it is. Bards have their spots secured in raid groups and.....it isn't as if people are not clearing stuff due to having a bard. Theres nothing convincing at all in this thread for a brd buff of any size. "My raid is too good to have a bard" doesn't really cut it as a reason to buff bards dmg. Yh I wouldn't mind 1 extra wd either, but that isn't very convincing either. bards don't NEEEEEED a buff. Dragoon did. Summoner does.

[Warlyx]

You mean, like healer LB?

It seems pretty obvious that SE had BRD in mind as a support class when they created them. Not sure why you're arguing that. Who knows how they'll end up changing them come the expansion since their views on the classes has changed (possibly getting rid of the "class" and the whole split job (arcanist) they decided to not continue with, etc). I'm glad they're giving individual jobs their own LB too.

I used to raid as DRG for a year up until FCoB when I switched to BRD. It's a lot easier to maintain striking dummy dps on BRD than it is on DRG. BARDS DON'T NEED A BUFF. There are just a lot of poorly played Bards and they need to get better at knowing how to maintain dps while also playing songs, etc. Don't pop your buffs if you have a song up nerfing your damage. Don't leave songs up unnecessarily long. Work with your raid members to minimize the usage of songs as much as possible. Whining to SE for a buff to a class that's, imo, already overpowered, is not going to solve your inability to play your job.

1.0 EXISTED u know , at the time bard got awesome buffs that didnt gimped the dps
ballad didnt have 20% dmg nerf

TP = bard drained his own tp to give tp regen

minuet = song that boosted ACC and Magic ACC

battlevoice = buffed HP on top of x2 the effect of the song

bard back then was a good dps with utility. Healer LB exist because isnt a mage (so no meteor for u , and because is ranged , so why create another LB, attach healer lb and done with it....)

2- there a lot of bads in every job , telling ppl that are bad and l2p is a bad way to prove your point


As lots of ppl said Weapon dmg is a problem , and if it continues that trend will be a huge problem later on (if SE doesnt change how bard works in the expansion , something that i really doubt , since they said that dont want support jobs at all )

Bards support? , what about smn? eye for eye , virus , rez in combat? , ninja with dmg boost for the whole party , stun silence on the same job ,Goad, and slashing debuff .....

every class bring something , stun ,silence , weapon debuff , rez , stats debuffs (monk int debuff is awesome in Fcob), virus , e4e ect

Brds are still a dps class , and if things doesnt change ppl will only use bards on progression raids , then change job to another dps , because ballad is nice to have? yeah when healers are learning or gearing...after that meh.

Tp song is awesome but u can use 2x nin, while boosting the party dps by a lot with 3 slashing jobs on party (war and ninx2) , doble Trick attack / goad .

p.d SMN has issues ? yes but that doesnt mean bards doesnt need some help. U know SE can work on both at same time.

Itemization doesnt help either, S.speed everywhere...

[Alkel]

Brds are still a dps class , and if things doesnt change ppl will only use bards on progression raids , then change job to another dps , because ballad is nice to have? yeah when healers are learning or gearing...after that meh.

Thats the main issue with BRD.
Once a group know how to handle a fight, there is no need to bring a BRD. Healers dont need ballad anymore in FcOB once the group know the fight.
Fact is, you will get better result if you switch the BRD with a NIN. The group will gain a huge DPS boost and a free TP regen!

If, in 3.0, the DPS gap between BRD and other jobs keep growing, i doubt it will worth it to have a BRD anymore. Using another job for a 100-150 DPS gain (depending how the WD will be gimped again for BRD) will become a better choice: more DPS, shorter fight, less time burning MP for healer, no need for ballad.

[vp_cmc]

Bards have their spots secured in raid groups and.....

Valid point for 1 bard in group. But what about taking 2-nd bard? Let's assume, you have 3 dps in a group (melee, caster and bard) and you need to find a 4-th dps. Take other melee or caster? Sure, it's ok. Take 2-nd bard. Better not.

[Galdous]

No. Bards do not need a buff. Balance in this game is done at the high end and for cutting edge progression bards are mandatory. Every high end static group I have ever seen defeat every round of bahamut coils has required use of a bard as part of the setup. Give a bard a dps increase then we go back to the days of stacking bards. No there is no issue right now with using two bards if you want in raids but bards are unique compared to every other dps in the game and should be treated that way. THEY are SUPPORT and will remain that way in the forseeable future. Yoshi-P said there will not be support in this game as a official definition because they go with the holy trinity mode for game play but bard is a support class that fills a dps slot. Its job increases the dps of the other jobs to make do for its lower high end damage then other jobs.