I think its time BRD get some loving

[Snugglebutt]

Source: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bard

Our class is technically archer, a DPS class, the bard job is an enhancement that adds some party buff skills.

From the same wiki you linked...

Bard

Role
Ranged Physical DPS

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Jobs

As I said we are a DPS class with some support skills that the bard job gives (just a few) aka just three support skills, Foe (damage enhancing debuff on mobs which other classes also have various damage enhancing debuffs can apply to mobs), Paeon (TP regen which another class such as Ninja can also do on another party member via Goad) and Mages Ballad (MP regen), one skill which enhances the strength of those three skills aka Battle Voice and a DPS skill that has a mob debuff aka Rain of Death.

We have one party buff skill from archer aka Swiftsong that just increases run speed but seventeen DPS skills from it. I have not included cross-class skills brought across from other classes. We currently have a support type limit break but that is being removed and replaced in an upcoming patch with a DPS personal limit break. Our most important stat is DEX which increases attack power aka DPS. We very much are a DPS class. If your playing it as a support class and not a DPS class then your playing it wrong. If your playing it as a DPS class that (occasionally) uses the very limited, very few support skills we have when needed then your playing it right.

[rappa]

I used to raid as DRG for a year up until FCoB when I switched to BRD. It's a lot easier to maintain striking dummy dps on BRD than it is on DRG. BARDS DON'T NEED A BUFF. There are just a lot of poorly played Bards and they need to get better at knowing how to maintain dps while also playing songs, etc. Don't pop your buffs if you have a song up nerfing your damage. Don't leave songs up unnecessarily long. Work with your raid members to minimize the usage of songs as much as possible. Whining to SE for a buff to a class that's, imo, already overpowered, is not going to solve your inability to play your job.

Wait, are you saying bards have to manage CD's, learn when they have to play song and the duration? Then Bards are a faceroll job or not? Because i am doubting now.

When you did all that, when manage your songs to play only the necessary time and the exact moment when are required. When you force your job to the limit, is when you discover you are two steps behind others dps jobs.

i think, a few person here talking we killed several times turn 13, we know how mechanics are working, how control our job and our playstyle. We are not facerolling CT3 o primals

[Warlyx]

You mean, like healer LB?

It seems pretty obvious that SE had BRD in mind as a support class when they created them. Not sure why you're arguing that. Who knows how they'll end up changing them come the expansion since their views on the classes has changed (possibly getting rid of the "class" and the whole split job (arcanist) they decided to not continue with, etc). I'm glad they're giving individual jobs their own LB too.

I used to raid as DRG for a year up until FCoB when I switched to BRD. It's a lot easier to maintain striking dummy dps on BRD than it is on DRG. BARDS DON'T NEED A BUFF. There are just a lot of poorly played Bards and they need to get better at knowing how to maintain dps while also playing songs, etc. Don't pop your buffs if you have a song up nerfing your damage. Don't leave songs up unnecessarily long. Work with your raid members to minimize the usage of songs as much as possible. Whining to SE for a buff to a class that's, imo, already overpowered, is not going to solve your inability to play your job.

1.0 EXISTED u know , at the time bard got awesome buffs that didnt gimped the dps
ballad didnt have 20% dmg nerf

TP = bard drained his own tp to give tp regen

minuet = song that boosted ACC and Magic ACC

battlevoice = buffed HP on top of x2 the effect of the song

bard back then was a good dps with utility. Healer LB exist because isnt a mage (so no meteor for u , and because is ranged , so why create another LB, attach healer lb and done with it....)

2- there a lot of bads in every job , telling ppl that are bad and l2p is a bad way to prove your point


As lots of ppl said Weapon dmg is a problem , and if it continues that trend will be a huge problem later on (if SE doesnt change how bard works in the expansion , something that i really doubt , since they said that dont want support jobs at all )

Bards support? , what about smn? eye for eye , virus , rez in combat? , ninja with dmg boost for the whole party , stun silence on the same job ,Goad, and slashing debuff .....

every class bring something , stun ,silence , weapon debuff , rez , stats debuffs (monk int debuff is awesome in Fcob), virus , e4e ect

Brds are still a dps class , and if things doesnt change ppl will only use bards on progression raids , then change job to another dps , because ballad is nice to have? yeah when healers are learning or gearing...after that meh.

Tp song is awesome but u can use 2x nin, while boosting the party dps by a lot with 3 slashing jobs on party (war and ninx2) , doble Trick attack / goad .

p.d SMN has issues ? yes but that doesnt mean bards doesnt need some help. U know SE can work on both at same time.

Itemization doesnt help either, S.speed everywhere...

[Airashii]

What they should've done for Summoner is make it so they lose the Spellspeed buff from their pet, in place of it, the buff makes their next Fester return MP. But that's about summoners.

Bards need something, not a lot mind you. They only really need like 1-2 more Weapon damage. They'd still be behind in DPS. But it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Most that I feel about the job is that the magical resist debuff should be incorporated into their attacks like other jobs. Example: Blood Letter applies the debuff, lasts 10 seconds. That way, by keeping up your dots, you're also keeping up that debuff by playing the job right by using Blood Letter frequently. It would reward a player for playing the job properly.

I don't think we need something crazy like no penalty for singing... Though, the Battle voice change would be nice, at the same time. I would rather much have the double return on songs. If I had both, I'd love it more. I just don't feel like bards need a huge overhaul, just certain aspects of things should be changed to make the support side of the class, smoother. *mashes song key to turn it off while GCD* TURN OFF ALREADY!

[ChriZirhC]

the real issue is the trend with our WD. yes we are okay right now. but what if the trend continues on? no hell any good bard is gonna wait til there's like 10WD point difference from all DoW classes before everyone realizes we're a gimped class. We're seeing the trend now and we want changes before it continues even further. This is what we are worried about.

[Argentt]

the real issue is the trend with our WD. yes we are okay right now. but what if the trend continues on? no hell any good bard is gonna wait til there's like 10WD point difference from all DoW classes before everyone realizes we're a gimped class. We're seeing the trend now and we want changes before it continues even further. This is what we are worried about.

Bard WD is 10% below all other DOW classes (rounded up or down to give a whole number), so that gap is just going to continue to widen. When WD for everything else is 100, bard will be 90 like you said.

Objectively, it's hard to compare bards to anything but other bards. You have a 10% weapon damage loss off the top, and then are penalized by errors from anyone in the party by having to play songs other than Foes. Your monk isn't penalized by your summoner's bad MP management, or that dragoon having to be rezzed a couple times. It's the bard that's gonna eat that 20% dps penalty. On the other hand it's that ability to carry the party through mistakes that makes them irreplaceable for progression.

I'd love to see that weapon damage penalty tightened up to 5% or so, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe bards will get another dps boosting ability to even things out with the expansion bump to level 60. Otherwise there's always switching to Machinist at that point.

[Vlady]

Bards are fine. They wreck every other dps in crystal tower raids, maintain full dps while avoiding mechanics. Have the second best burst in the game. I've seen my dps spike 700 ish on all cool downs. Provide buffs required for progression. Big deal we are behind other dps. We are the white mages of the game. Need us for cutting edge progression and a bit meh when it's on farm status.

[rappa]

Bards are fine. They wreck every other dps in crystal tower raids, maintain full dps while avoiding mechanics. Have the second best burst in the game. I've seen my dps spike 700 ish on all cool downs. Provide buffs required for progression. Big deal we are behind other dps. We are the white mages of the game. Need us for cutting edge progression and a bit meh when it's on farm status.

Please no, no no and again no, don't compare a casual raid as CT1-CT2-CT3 with FCOB.
You can parse the damage inside CT and the 50% of the dps can barely reach 200 dps because they are slacking, bad geared or just simply is the 20th run and he is tired to farm that raid. You can't extrapolate that data.
And obviously 4-man content is not valid too.

Why was DRG buffed? Because inside FCOB, his damage was low in comparation than the others dps, his magic defense was low too, so they died by mechanics when others members survive.

Why was War revamped? Because in First Coil, warrior slacked on defensive cooldowns and died where a paladin survive or had more abilities to prevent damage.

Why was the blm was buffed? For Second Coil.

Why was BRD nerfed? First Coil

Sound elitist, but it is. The content is based on high end.

[KylePearlsand]

Basically what the above is said. Bard does have to take the punishment if someone screws up but in return we do make it up by covering those mistakes. Personally, I just did everything I could to be more support based over damage based. In fact, I think it's a good idea to get Mantra since you will be bunched up with raid members most of the time and it will help the healers in dire situations when the monk's mantra is down (or no monk available).