The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[MirielleLavandre]

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. Y.

This won't work on our server -- as soon as people see the mark's name change color, they attack for fear of not capping seals, which is hard enough as it is now with the number of people hunting. Even if your own 'hunt group' and a few other little hunting parties agree to not attack or heal or raise, the other 50-60 randoms and aetheryte sitters will all attack no matter what. With so many people not even needing or caring about hunt LS, I also doubt anyone would care about being 'shamed'. Just saying - it is a nice thought that everyone will play nice together, but as I said above - it doesn't work out that way in reality.

[NyarukoW]

This won't work on our server -- as soon as people see the mark's name change color, they attack for fear of not capping seals ....

Funny thing this has happened more than once on our server, and I was there to witness it. It probably won't happen during prime time hours when all the kiddies are on, but they are playing with fire if they try to push their luck. But more often than not, I've seen people asking for it to reset and getting people to hold fire, and let it reset and seen it reset successfully for the benefit of everyone.

[Dwill]

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

This the definition of Vigilante:

vigilante
/ˌvɪdʒɪˈlæntɪ/
noun
1.
one of an organized group of citizens who take upon themselves the protection of their district, properties, etc

What you described is literally the definition of the word.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

You literally dodged the topic of what can be considered early. Mobs were designed to be killed by a specific amount of people so if a group of people meets the requirement to kill it, you are in no right to demand that they do not pull. There's no fixed time about what can be considered early so your little "Let's shame people on the forums" stance because they do not adhere to your personal guidelines defies any definition of logic. I get it, you're mad that someone pulled before you got there. Big deal. Put on your big boy pants and move on to the next target.

[Kosmos992k]

...though the naughty part of my mind just wants to be an 'early puller'... and see if people and NyarukoW try to 'shame' me off the server now...

I doubt your friends in a well liked FC likes yours appreciates getting flak from everyone else on the server.

Mirielle, I don't know about you, but that actually sounded like an implied threat made against your character on your server.

[MirielleLavandre]

I've seen people reset too - I'm not saying that won't happen. Just the other day someone accidentally pulled and people helped to reset one. However, I have yet anyone say in open chat "so and so early pulled, don't attack or heal him/her" -- and to be honest, even though everyone would attack anyway, I think if I was there and did hear someone say something like that, I'd still heal them anyway because no one knows at all what or how it was 'early pulled' unless the person out and out blatantly says in chat they are doing it to troll. Plus, healers are just nice like that ^^

And lol Kosmos - I just saw that reply. To be honest, I'm too nice to ever 'early pull' (even though it doesn't exist) because I always get angry when I miss them. But then again, if I did and my FC was actually upset because a few people on the server thought I was a big meany criminal troll - well, I'd just find another FC -- it is a game, after all :P

[Giantbane]

Yes, there is. Your entire side would be biased because you're forcing people to play according to a set of guidelines that are based upon the Argumentum Ad Populum stance which is an extremely narrow-minded point of view, no matter how you try to spin it.

Pretty sure since early pulling as a concept is defined entirely by the hunt population, it can't be argumentum ad populum.

If the hunting populace at large wants to exclude other players from their play experience (blacklisting, removal from hunt groups or linkshells) because they're continuously pulling earlier than the hunt group would like, then they can do so if they wish. And I see no reason they should be forced to avoid such topics publicly.

However, they do need to be tactful about it. Comments about the player's mom should probably be avoided.

[NyarukoW]

.... Plus, healers are just nice like that ^^

Even healers will tire of the antics of the early puller. Because everyone has friends on the server, and if their friends are missing the hunt and you know who the trouble maker is, you would help your friends and let the trouble maker get clobbered by the A rank. Often the early puller deliberately tries to defy everyone else, and pulls immediately when people are calling out a pull time that everyone can agree to, and you can see them do it again and again at every elite mark.

[Dwill]

Pretty sure since early pulling as a concept is defined entirely by the hunt population, it can't be argumentum ad populum.

It's a concept defined by the majority of the hunt population, not its entirety therefore Argumentum Ad Populum.

If the hunting populace at large wants to exclude other players from their play experience (blacklisting, removal from hunt groups or linkshells) because they're continuously pulling earlier than the hunt group would like, then they can do so if they wish. And I see no reason they should be forced to avoid such topics publicly.

People tend to be drawn to be overly emotional about this particular topic to say the least so lies, exaggerations, hyperbole and the likes are widespread therefore their impact should be minimize. There is a reason why nearly no MMO allows naming and shaming on their forums.

[Zohar_Lahar]

From what I can see, too many players are tripping over each because they won't accept the practical capacity limit of Elite Marks. This "shaming early pulls" issue is just a symptom of that belief that many feel entitled to having carbontwine right now (as opposed to later when it'll be more widely available). Either way, as I see it, "early pull" = you were too late, move along. And really, if half the server shows up to kill an elite mark, joining in only adds to the problem.

[Giantbane]

Mobs were designed to be killed by a specific amount of people so if a group of people meets the requirement to kill it, you are in no right to demand that they do not pull.

Yes, but mobs *can* be killed by almost any number of people and everybody can still get full credit as long as they're mildly organized. SE has done nothing to change this, and in fact made it easier for more people to kill A & S ranks by increasing their HP. So if someone chooses to kill it before all/most active hunt participants have been given a reasonable amount of time to get there (give it a couple minutes, depending on how far it is away from the aetheryte) then they're just being selfish and/or an ass at that point.

From what I can see, too many players are tripping over each because they won't accept the practical capacity limit of Elite Marks. This "shaming early pulls" issue is just a symptom of that belief that many feel entitled to having carbontwine right now (as opposed to later when it'll be more widely available). Either way, as I see it, "early pull" = you were too late, move along. And really, if half the server shows up to kill an elite mark, joining in only adds to the problem.

It's more SE's fault than anything. They chose to put highly popular items only on the hunts, causing the participants to greatly exceed the practical capacity limit of Elite Marks.