there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[lxChrisxl]

I thought I regonized you from somewhere!
please don't do runs with your fc mates

haha this should have gone in there as an example of my bad luck with fc groups :b

[Xhominid]

So you said "WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE", do you mean they do have a choice whether they should do it or they should not do it, right, at their own discretion? However, it does not seem like a case to me with most of people here. Someone said it is FUNDAMENTAL, BASICS, EXPECTATION for a Healer to do a DPS,or else they are HORRIBLE Healer. Those words don't really match with the "When it is appropriate", do they not?

So because there's some people giving you mixed signals, that defeat my point? It really doesn't. For example:
You are running Aurum Vale and your tank pulls 3+ enemies, believing you can DPS them at all is foolish and can easily lead to a wipe, that is not appropriate, that's stupid.

If you are running the beginning 3 dungeons, past the bosses, you should virtually be DPS till the tank hits 1/3rd HP. That's appropriate for the situation lest the tank pulls far more adds than 3 there as well.

You mentioned something about having tools and not use it to its fully potential ..., this opinion is also applied to every other job out there, not just Healer.

And again, how does this help your point? If anything, you are PROVING healers need to DPS when it's appropriate, as I exactly stated. While I find curing as a PLD pointless, some believe it's as effective as SS'ing yourself. Otherwise you are limiting yourself by not using your toolkit to it's maximum efficiency.

Yet every time, anyone die for XYZ reasons, Healer is ALWAYS the first to be blamed.

Well congrats, you met crappy players. Because like the Tank won't get similar blame for nonsense or whatever. How does this help your point?

While I don't disregard this pointing finger but this is just too unfairness. Is it not the whole point of Healer should DPS, so the run can go smoother and quicker,in turns make everyone's life easier? Then how about before demanding them or expecting them to make your life easier, why not do your best and make their life easier of healing you, by fully utilizing tools in your disposal?

So basically, you want to cover the healers not using their toolkit...and saying the DPS and Tanks need to utilize theirs'...
That's so damn stupid. If you have the ability to utilize your toolkit, DO SO. Stop acting as if the other players cannot that gives you a pass to be lazy, it doesn't. I have found plenty of openings as a WHM to do so, so that doesn't work.

[LionKing]

I did not try to disregard your opinion. I simply pointed out your hole in assumption that "Everybody expect the healer to do DPS when it is appropriate". It is far from the truth. People's expectation is for all the Healer to DPS, while ignoring the fact that they may not be comfortable in doing so, just because there are Healers out there who can do better in such said situation while they fail to see that not everyone is at the same skill level. Whether to DPS or not, we DO NOT expect, force them to perform such duties but rather let them, the Healers make the decision themselves. My point is "Sure there is room for improvement but to tell them it is fundamental or a have-to do for a Healer to DPS is wrong and stupid"

No I do not try to cover for Healer for not using your tool kits whilst asking the Tank and the DPS to fully utilizing their tools kits, I simply said why people expect the healer to go out of their boundary while did not expect the same from Tank and DPS? I just hate someone has to work 120% extra harder just because someone else fail to fully use what they have in the disposal.

"You fulfil your duties as Tank and DPS, I do my job as Healer. That is the deal. My job is to heal, not to DPS, just so you guys can be half afk whilst doing your jobs. Whether to go extra mile or not is up to me. It is my decision to make and you can't tell me I fail at my job just because I refuse to go that extra miles."

[PetiteMalFleur]

Clearly the healer felt harassed. You were annoyed he was not optimizing the run as he should and expressed your annoyance. Maybe he is a bad healer, maybe he just felt lazy. Maybe his tank friend prefers he not dps. Maybe he thought kicking you over your rude comment was hilarious. In any case, you should remember real people play when you are choosing to formulate your statements to them on what your expectations are next time.

[Ladyaceous]

Elitism so what?

If anyone were to comment on what i should or should not be doing as a healer, then follow that with "horrible" and "bad" while your gear and experience is low on the matter, you will be called out on it. I'll dps if feel like it, it's by no means mandatory. An exceptional healer is responsible for the pt safety and does so at an outstanding level through adversity. High tier fights separate the average from the exceptional.

Elitism so what huh? People shouldn't comment on healers dpsing if they don't have coil drops huh?

Well, if you had to get to coil to understand that healers can and should dps when appropriate and not "when they feel like it" then you are most likely an average coil healer and not an exceptional coil healer. Gear or no gear. That makes you a beta elitist which is worse than the real McCoys. Based on the two statements you've made, I'd say it's likely you got carried....and I'm "calling you out on it". "I'll dps in coil when I feel like it"...just lol.

It's not rocket science people. No one is saying healers should carelessly sacrifice healing for dps and cc. If a healer stands around with a full mana bar not dpsing at all when a tank hardly needs heals they are not playing well.

New emote for Miqo'te /beeotch slap with tail.

[Kiroh]

Elitism so what huh? People shouldn't comment on healers dpsing if they don't have coil drops huh?

Well, if you had to get to coil to understand that healers can and should dps when appropriate and not "when they feel like it" then you are most likely an average coil healer and not an exceptional coil healer. Gear or no gear. That makes you a beta elitist which is worse than the real McCoys. Based on the two statements you've made, I'd say it's likely you got carried....and I'm "calling you out on it". "I'll dps in coil when I feel like it"...just lol.

Meanwhile he's talking about higher level gear when every healer piece 100 or over, including dungeon drops, has ACC on it. Now why would Accuracy be on healer gear when it does nothing for cures I wonder, I mean it's literally impossible for a cure to miss.

Lazy players will find any justification to be lazy, the gear has a stat only useful for DPS :
http://xivdb.com/?search/!filters/Ik...RBVEVEXzA6Ig==

The Conjurer npc explicitly tells you you should be doing more than healing :

"Adventurers such as yourself oft stand upon the front lines of battle. Owing to this, you are like to find yourself in many situations wherein a capacity for healing would be advantageous. Mind you, there is more to conjury than that.

By harnessing the power of earth, wind, and water, conjurers are also capable of weaving spells that wreak havoc.

In terms of sheer destructive power, conjury may pale in comparison to thaumaturgy, but its capacity to defend one against aggression more than compensates for this relative shortcoming.

More than simple healers, yet not true dealers of destruction, conjurers realize their full potential when they employ their powers in support of others. This, my dear adventurer, is what it means to be one of us."

And the entirety of conjurer's questline is about using more than just cures, with lore sprinkled in for reasoning.

But I have a feeling this "final coil or gtfo" guy is one of these anyways :

[lxChrisxl]

that picture never gets old for me lol

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Elitism so what huh? People shouldn't comment on healers dpsing if they don't have coil drops huh?

Well, if you had to get to coil to understand that healers can and should dps when appropriate and not "when they feel like it" then you are most likely an average coil healer and not an exceptional coil healer. Gear or no gear. That makes you a beta elitist which is worse than the real McCoys. Based on the two statements you've made, I'd say it's likely you got carried....and I'm "calling you out on it". "I'll dps in coil when I feel like it"...just lol.
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That's a lot of assuming there about me, all of which completely false ofc, but let's just say while i may have a machiavellian view on things in this game, i can back it up for real and anyone whos played with me knows it. Anyways ...

[Huntington]

One thing I'm learning lately is that unless you went into a duty with 5 of your friends outnumbering everyone you don't know, don't even attempt to point out something about another player and how they're playing.



I've been polite, and I've been an arsehole, and the result ends up the same every time for me. I get kicked, and someone else gets to go about their day playing sub-optimally. The best excuse for this though is the "doing it's job alright" argument. I have to give credit to Yahtzee for coining this term as far as I've ever been aware.
Is the tank holding enmity on everything? Then he/she's doing it's job alright.
Is the DPS doing ANY damage at all? Then he/she's doing it's job alright.
Is the healer keeping everyone alive? Then he/she's doing it's job alright.

People time and again use this as a justification for a Bard never singing songs when asked to no matter how many times people ask or request it, or a DRG not keeping up Heavy Thrust at all times and just doing the standard Thrust combo over and over, or a Tank going ham with enmity at the start of a pull, then AFK'ing as the DPS and others kill everything while they stand there and eat all AoEs and so forth.
Truth be told, it's likely not going to change. From my experiences, I've asked nicely and spoken politely, and other time's I've said "So are you going to play more effectively and stop wasting our time or not?" and so on. My only knowledge that I've come away from this with is that it's better to say nothing at all unless you want to try and argue with the people defending those practices, which is me a lot of the times when I have given up caring about finishing the dungeon and instead want to interrogate the people in the party and question them on why they tolerate something, like my most recent Qarn HM run, which was very entertaining for me!

[lvlagmarink]

Shrug.. People make arguments about how people should play in a role playing game.. Isnt like the game should be played in one own's aim in one own's time and in one own's tactic which should be applicable in a team whether it's necessary or not? For all i know dps can heal too.. Dont like it? Vote kick or vote abandon, or leave or maybe stay quite.. Why need to go into such length.. Shrug..
People are being over sensitive.. So true..